If There Were No Antis What Gun Laws Would You Have?

[moooose102]

every one at the age of 12 would be required to take a five year course on gun safety, handleing, and shooting skiils. and @ age 21, everyone would be issued a gun, and instructed that if they use it in a crime, they will simply be SHOT TO DEATH!

 

[Travis Bickle]

Here's a question that's probably been asked before but if everyone in the whole world was pro gun and no one wanted to take away your gun rights what kind of gun laws would you think would be appropriate?

None, at the federal level. State weapons laws should simply forbid the carrying of a weapon with the intent or avowed purpose of committing a crime a la Vermont, and that's it.

 

[Deanimator]

None

Pretty much. Maybe firing inside city limits for unauthorized purposes, self-defense of course being authorized.

A lot of AHSA types sure seem to be popping up here lately, huh?

Of course, Nazis pop up suddenly in usenet talk.politics.guns. Strange how they all sound like ONE "person".

 

[Mello]

My idea of sensible gun control:

1. No sales of firearms to those under 18.

2. No sales or possession of firearms to a convicted violent felon.

3. No sales to those adjudicated mentally incompetent, unless and until adjudicated mentally competent.

4. No sales to those renouncing their citizenship, unless and until citizenship restored.

5. Firearms on airplanes must be checked and secured in baggage, inaccessible to passengers; unless the bearer has certification in airplane emergency situational usage.

6. No sales to or possession by members of an organization dedicated to violence against the American people or their lawful representatives or agents.

7. No sales to or possession by agents of foreign governments, INCLUDING diplomatic personnel, except as provided by international agreement or military protocol.

 

[Treo]

Of course, Nazis pop up suddenly in usenet talk.politics.guns. Strange how they all sound like ONE "person".

I knew Godwin was coming, I just didn't know how long it would take hime to get here

 

[MikePGS]

A lot of AHSA types sure seem to be popping up here lately, huh?

Definitely. Hopefully Derek or someone will check to see if someone is using multiple accounts in the very near future (no idea how difficult this is, so it might actually be impossible or close to it) and IP ban whoever this or these person or people is or are.

 

[velojym]

Barring non-residents from bearing arms is counter to the 2nd Amendment, as well, unless you are asserting that those rights spring from the government itself. If that's the case, it's giving them carte blanche to remove them at will.

The whole point of the BoR is that these rights are pre-existing, hence were valid before the USofA came to be, so citizenship would not be a pre-requisite.
As for felons, that's another slippery slope when the legal burden placed on the populace may have us all committing mala-prohibita felonies without even knowing it.

Pretty much. Maybe firing inside city limits for unauthorized purposes, self-defense of course being authorized.

Also, things like pest control, or even low-noise target practice, provided the shooter is taking proper care to avoid endangering any other persons or their property. Suppressors are a good common-sense tool to avoid disturbing the neighbors. Odd that they're illegal, or nearly so.

 

[shotgunjoel]

Mike the Wolf, are you serious about Conscientious Objectors!? Just because someone CO's doesn't mean that they won't serve, it just means they won't take up arms. My grandfather CO'ed and repaired jeeps in France during the war, he still served. I think that that is a very unfair thing to do to people and violates their first amendment rights.

 

[velojym]

If Barack decided to draft me, and send me to the ranks of the UN, I'd flat refuse. If I'm to lose my civil rights for maintaining my morals, then so be it. Just another example of fat-cat politicians viewing the American citizen as cannon fodder.

 

[WardenWolf]

Shotgunjoel, did you NOT read that I said it doesn't apply to those who serve in non-combat roles? I said those who use it to avoid military service ENTIRELY.

 

[FoMoGo]

Thats just helping them with their aversion to taking up arms.


Jim

 

[grimjaw]

State laws that do not go against the letter or spirit of what's laid down in the US Constitution do not bother me much. Some of them may be frivolous or wasteful, but firearms legislation isn't alone in that regard.

jm

 

[velojym]

So, Mike... right require that you 'serve' in the military first, before you may exercise those Constitutionally pre-existing rights?

If you're talking about the draft... that's a blatantly unconstitutional practice, basically slavery. If the Powers That Be have a pet war they need cannon fodder for, and can't sell it well enough to gain the volunteers they need... then it probably isn't worth fighting.

That's just my opinion, and I'm just one of those nutty libertarians...

 

[MT GUNNY]

1. "A well regulated Militia being necessary to the Security of a free state, the Right of the People to keep and bear arms , shall not be infringed"

2. If you are Convicted of a Murder, Robbery, Rape, Or any other High Crime Felony or Misdemeanor, With a Firearm. sentence will be No less than 10 years and up to Death Penelty..............

 

[saigafreake]

I would keep the nics and class 3 registration but it would only take the same time as an normal gun purchase and a free tax stamp.

 

[woodybrighton]

gun safety tanght in school
Ban gun free zones on the grounds of safety unless said zone has a secure fence and a guard force that could stop an intruder otherwise you can't make it gun free.
THe idea of banning weapons in the country with the easist access to firearms is not exactly that bright.
fuzed weapons and automatic weapons to stay out of the reach of casual shooters.
yes RPGS are cheap and a blast to fire but they need careful handaling storage
and what happens when the fuze fails? same with automatic weapons fine in the hands of someone who is responsable not every gun owner is though and smgs can become very bad things

 

[rainbowbob]

I deliberately left felons off my list of prohibited persons. I have become convinced that it serves no useful purpose to prohibit them from legal purchase.

A rehabilitated felon is no more dangerous than anyone else.

Sociopaths are not wired like the rest of us. It is not possible for them to become "rehibilitated". That may not include most convicted felons - but there are plenty of them out there.

As I posted earlier - only felons convicted of violence (including the threat of violence and crimes wherein violence may have resulted, e.g., burglerly) should be prohibited from possessing a firearm.

While it is true that a prohibited felon can easily obtain a firearm - the prohibition allows society to put them back in prison if caught with one.

Longer sentences for violent crimes would probably be more appropriate and effective - but that doesn't seem to be happening.

 

[K3]

1. Manufacturers shall produce quality products that are reliable and not prone to blowing up in the operator's face, lest they be sued in civil court.

2. Local and state governments shall not stand in the way of schools offering shooting and safety classes if they so choose.

3. Selling a Mosin that shoots 8" groups at 25 yards off a bench shall be a capital offense.


Seriously, the only thing I'd do is have Federal pre-emption. In other words, the 2nd A covers all, and the states/cities cannot enact tougher laws regulating the sale/transfer/possession/wearing of arms than what exists federally. Because only the 2nd exists, we could go back to getting what we want at the hardware store and sell it to whomever we pleased without fear of the black helicopters.

 

[shotgunjoel]

Mike the Wolf, sorry. The whole calling them CO's threw me off.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

Maybe what we have now at the federal level, minus the "sporting purpose" import rules, and of course, with shall-issue CCW. I'm not aware of all the gun laws, and even if I was, I'm still undecided on a lot of measures.

 

[CoRoMo]

Here is the current law of the land...

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

I would simply keep it the law of the land, rather than allow the infringement that has occurred since it was written.

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Been discussed many times, but doesn't hurt to re-vamp:

NICS check is good. Except lautenberg must be eliminated to the extent that it traps misdemeanants and those subject to CIVIL restraining orders. And it must be written to put the burden of the check onto the FBI in this way: the law should state that "If the FBI is unable to find a valid reason for denial with 72 hours, and communicate that reason to the FFL within 72 hours, then the FFL shall automatically allow the transfer to occur" or similar.

Draconion gun owner "responsibility laws" - providing for strict criminal AND civil penalties for your NEGLIGENCE, ordinary or gross, which causes your guns to get into the hands of children or criminals, and then harm results (i.e. leaving loaded weapons around the house with children present, etc.). Or when your own negligence in handling the gun results in someone getting hurt.

Draconian enhanced sentencing laws. Add to the sentence when a gun is used in furtherance of the underlying crime (robbery, etc.)

[Not strictly a "gun-related law", but crime-reduction-related, so relevant: Draconian ordinary criminal laws for violent offenders. High investigation rates. High arrest rates. High conviction rates. Long sentences for VIOLENT offenders. Eliminate the war on drugs. Make pot 100% legal like alcohol. Highly de-criminalize the harder stuff, for usage/possession.]

A 1934 Act-style registration scheme for anything weapon larger than a 20mm or using explosives. Still legal with a modest tax, but let's know who has the tanks.

Oh yeah: Mandatory classes in grade school, junior high, and high school covering gun safety / proper gun use, and the second amendment. Optional courses in junior and high school for shooting / competition shooting.

That's about it. Anyone short of children under 18, convicted felons and the adjudicated mentally ill can own anything they want without a license, and carry it anywhere they want without a license, including planes and government buildings. Well, ok, maybe when on the plane or taking the white house tour, you should be required to keep handguns holstered and long guns unloaded.

 

[jerkface11]

I'll go with none. Apparently a large number of THR members don't know what "shall not be infringed" means.

 

[Spencer5883]

Im not to sure about the current law, but i thought people could only get machine guns made before 1986. I wish modern machine guns were allowed but still followed NFA rules.

 

[jerkface11]

Why would you want to keep unconstitutional NFA rules?