Ignorance will = A negligent discharge! Capstick Method

[H&Hhunter]

Gentlemen,

RPRNY very kindly provided you a quote that has Capstick describing his method if carry. He even put it in italics for you. Capstick mentions this method in many places in different articles and books.

Please feel free to believe or disbelieve me as you feel necessary. In fact please feel free to carry your rifle around in such a manner as Capstick describes above. Just make sure it's pointed in a safe direction at all times.

PS

The extractor has NOTHING to do with carrying a rifle with the hammer down as described above. That is an issue in a Mauser style rifle that occurs by loading a shell into the chamber and not picking it up from the magazine. If you "single" load a round with a Mauser it causes the extractor to have to "jump" the rim of the round as it seats in the chamber which will cause your extractor to fatigue and break over time. ALWAYS chamber a round from a Mauser from the magazine NEVER single load it by pushing a round into the chamber then closing the bolt over it.

That is what peter was talking about there in regards to a broken extractor.
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OKAY

It took me exactly 2 minutes and 23 seconds to find you a quote you lazy no good slackers.....

Here Peter Capstick explains his method of "safe" carry in great detail.

http://books.google.com/books?id=WM...onepage&q=Capstick rifle carry method&f=false

Safari the Last Adventure
Page 121 first paragraph.

Are we happy now?

I'm sure with the slightest amount of effort you can find many more of the same from PHC. I used to love to read his stuff and have seen it mentioned numerous times in his writings.

 

[akodo]

It's not about the effort, it's about doing it because it is the right thing to do, and it is the wrong thing to do to try and force that on others.

It's like borrowing a $20 to someone and then when you ask them for it to be repaid they pitch a fit. $20 isn't going to break the bank, but paying back what you borrow is the right thing to do.

 

[H&Hhunter]

akodo,

Who died and made you a moderator?

In any case you are missing the whole point of this thread. It isn't a truth test whether PHC said it or not it's about a very dangerous way to carry a rifle.

In any case now you can be satisfied that it was indeed recommended by PHC and that it's a very dangerous and unwise piece of advise. I don't mind quoting material but there is no law that says ANYBODY has to do it ESPECIALLY not on a common knowledge issues like this. Please keep in mind that this is NOTHING like borrowing money from somebody and then not paying it back. I don't owe you or anybody else on this site ANYTHING. With that being said I always strive to keep my posts factual, unlike some who post here and if my material is not factual I try and make it a very obvious joke or sarcastic post. I found DNS's demand, not a request but a demand, for a direct page and paragraph post to be rude and I will not go out of my way to satisfy the demands of a rude person.

And you are welcome for the quote. BTW..

 

[Clipper]

I'm with you, H&H, these CITE/LINK guys that want someone else to do their thinking for them wear me out.

 

[H&Hhunter]

I'm with you, H&H, these CITE/LINK guys that want someone else to do their thinking for them wear me out.

If I've got a question about something I look it up, seems pretty simple to me.

 

[Stantdm]

akodo,

Who died and made you a moderator?

In any case you are missing the whole point of this thread. It isn't a truth test whether PHC said it or not it's about a very dangerous way to carry a rifle.

In any case now you can be satisfied that it was indeed recommended by PHC and that it's a very dangerous and unwise piece of advise. I don't mind quoting material but there is no law that says ANYBODY has to do it ESPECIALLY not on a common knowledge issues like this. Please keep in mind that this is NOTHING like borrowing money from somebody and then not paying it back. I don't owe you or anybody else on this site ANYTHING. With that being said I always strive to keep my posts factual, unlike some who post here and if my material is not factual I try and make it a very obvious joke or sarcastic post. I found DNS's demand, not a request but a demand, for a direct page and paragraph post to be rude and I will not go out of my way to satisfy the demands of a rude person.

And you are welcome for the quote. BTW..

Thank you for providing the citation. I am not a lazy slacker, simply someone who doesn't know how to do everything you professional blog site creatures do. After reading Capsticks method of carrying with the firing pin down it makes sense IN THE ENVIRONMENT HE WAS HUNTING IN. For whitetails, not so much. Is it unsafe? Sure. Is it okay to do it in the scenario Capstick was in? Maybe, makes sense if you believe its safer than the safety on your bolt action. Would I do it? No. I am familiar with the rifles I shoot and changing to that method would just slow me up.

I would also advise you not to refer to me as a lazy slacker again. It makes you sound like the azzhole you may be.

 

[H&Hhunter]

Stantdm,

You may not be a "professional" blog site creature and neither am I. But there is something you need to know it's very important so that you don't get your feeling hurt again.

This symbol means just kidding, don't take this serious.

This symbol is the one I put behind my lazy slacker line which was obviously a joke. You will be far less prone to emotional internet pain (EIP) if you keep this in mind in the future.

And lets address this real quick.

Is it okay to do it in the scenario Capstick was in? Maybe, makes sense if you believe its safer than the safety on your bolt action. Would I do it? No. I am familiar with the rifles I shoot and changing to that method would just slow me up.

It is never in ANY environment okay to carry a rifle in the condition that Capstick wrote about. ESPECIALLY not in the DG environment where rifles are very likely to be dropped slammed on the ground ETC. Gayanna of the Zimbabwe professional hunters standards board did a study where they took various rifles and loaded them in the condition mentioned. The majority made to fire after being dropped from a vertical height of 6 inches.

It makes no difference if you "believe it's safer than the safety on your bolt action." It is not safer in fact it extremely dangerous, it's been proven and your feelings/ beliefs have nothing to do with it.

 

[Cosmoline]

It is never in ANY environment okay to carry a rifle in the condition that Capstick wrote about.

Truly. This shouldn't even be a point of debate. And Capstick wasn't hunting in 1870, so he should have known the dangers. He tries to justify himself in "Safari: The Last Adventure" at pp 120-121, by arguing that he's never seen a ND using his method. But that's scarcely justification for pulling the trigger and dropping the hammer on a primer. Thankfully for him he was likely using big rounds with some pretty hard primers, but I can guarantee he was taunting those things. Any hard smack would have set them off.

He also seems to have been reacting to PH's who forbade their clients to use safeties. I can kind of see the logic there--they simply don't trust the dudes to do it right and don't want to get blown in half by some "Sahib" who "thought it was on safe" and ignores all the safety rules. But having a client who will break the four rules with impunity drop a hammer on a LIVE ROUND is not really a sane solution.

A lot of nostalgia gets built up around the good old days when Capstick pulled these stunts and Elmer (lord bless him) was blowing up single action armies with massive charges. But I have to say it's a lot harder to get away with tom foolery these days, when the whole of the internet can ride you over dumb decisions.

 

[Stantdm]

Just to close this H&H......

My feelings were not hurt. I merely pointed out that calling those of us who wanted a citation "lazy no good slackers" was not a good idea. Winks or not.

You don't need a red 40 point word to state your opinion. A simple "wrong" would suffice.

I would be surprised if anybody carries their rifle with a uncocked bolt on a live round because they read that Capstick advocated it. What he did worked for him in the environment he was in and it was his choice to make. You left out his reasons for doing it in your report of his actions. You also left out what else he said about it.

 

[H&Hhunter]

I would be surprised if anybody carries their rifle with a uncocked bolt on a live round because they read that Capstick advocated it

You'd be surprised then, I've had more than one person explain the "Capstick" method of carry to me over the years.

What he did worked for him in the environment he was in and it was his choice to make. You left out his reasons for doing it in your report of his actions. You also left out what else he said about it.

Which makes no difference as the whole premise is misguided and dangerous it makes no difference why he was doing it or in what environment it was done in, but we've already covered that.

His environment is the same that exists today and one in which I've had the honor of hunting in multiple times. Nobody in their right mind would carry a rifle that way. So the question here is are you defending Capstick because you are an ardent fan or are you simply trying to lick your wounds to save face? Because I'll state this along with the throngs of others here who understand why it's so dangerous just one more time.

It is NEVER in ANY circumstances okay to carry a rifle with a live a round in the chamber with the firing pin in the relaxed (trigger pulled) position. It will fire if dropped or bumped, period. It doesn't matter what environment you are operating in, it doesn't matter what excuses you create in your head, it doesn't matter what your geographic location is.

Carrying a rifle this way will eventually get you or somebody around you killed. Are we perfectly clear now?