(IL) Hostage Kills Alleged Assailant In Home

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HOSTAGE KILLS ALLEGED ASSAILANT IN HOME

BY ANDREA HAHN
THE SOUTHERN




LAKE OF EGYPT -- A stormy relationship between two Williamson County teenagers ended in bloodshed Thursday, when a member of the girl's family shot and killed the young man, whom they said had been holding them hostage at gunpoint.

Jeffrey Scott Price, 19, of Marion, died at Saint Louis University Hospital Thursday morning after being shot in the head during the alleged home invasion.

By order of Johnson County State's Attorney Tricia Turner-Shelton, police are releasing few details about the incident. In a written statement, police said Price broke into or entered without permission a home in rural Johnson County. He was shot there at about 12:47 a.m. Thursday by one of the occupants of the house.

Family members from both sides gave a more detailed account.

Price went to the house, located on Deer Trail Road in the Lake of Egypt area, looking for his 17-year-old ex-girlfriend, said Sherry James, the girl's mother. The occupants of the house are James' parents, the girl's grandparents, both in their 70s.

James said her parents told her Price entered their home without them knowing, wearing a ski mask and hooded sweatshirt. He awakened James' mother with a gun in her face, demanding to know where his ex-girlfriend, the woman's granddaughter, was.

Price ordered the couple into the living room, James said, and demanded they find a way to get his ex-girlfriend to come over without arousing suspicion. During the course of about an hour, James said, her mother was able to placate him to the point where he put away the gun. She excused herself to go to the bathroom, and so did her husband.

The couple went to separate bathrooms, but James said her father went to the bedroom to retrieve a .45 caliber handgun he purchased 14 months ago. He had never unwrapped it or taken off the tags, she said.

The man loaded the gun and returned to the living room. Somehow, James said, her mother was able to get Price's gun and throw it off the deck of the house. When her husband came back into the room, he pointed the gun at Price and told him he could either sit down or leave. James said Price told her parents he wouldn't leave without his ex-girlfriend.

James said her father told her mother to call the police with a cell phone, because Price had disabled the land line. As she went to do so, Price produced another gun. James said her father shot Price in the back of the head.

James said her father told her he intended to shoot Price in the leg.

Price died about 4 a.m. in the hospital.

Nancy Price, Jeffrey's stepmother, said she is "as baffled by this as anyone else is."

Nancy Price confirmed her stepson had gone to the house looking for the girl. She said her family does not own guns and she does not know where he got them. She said to her knowledge, Jeffrey had never fired a gun.

Nancy Price said Jeffrey Price had some problems with the law. He had been arrested for disorderly conduct in Williamson County the previous week, and she bailed him out of the county jail. She said he had been in jail in Missouri for stealing a three-wheeler.

Jeffrey Price also had problems in West Frankfort. Police Chief Mike Dinn said there was no specific warrant for the young man in his jurisdiction, but that the he was "a person of interest" with the department.

Violence, though, his stepmother said, was something she did not associate with him.

"He was a big kid for threats," she said. "He was always saying he was going to hit somebody. If it came to a fight, he'd run.

"He took my mother to dialysis three times a week, getting up at 5 a.m. I just don't see him pointing a gun at an older woman."

Nancy Price said the relationship her stepson had with is ex-girlfriend was a rocky one. She said they were "on again, off again," though they had spoken of planning to be married when the girl turned 18.

Nancy Price said the week before Jeffrey's death, his girlfriend had spent a few nights with them.

"She was always calling him and saying, 'Come get me,'" Price said. "He'd park in a field and sneak up to the house and get her. Maybe that's what was happening that night."

James, however, said the disorderly conduct charge last week against Jeffrey Price involved his treatment of her daughter. She said the family was seeking an emergency restraining order against him.

Capt. Debra Landmann, an investigator with the state police, said the investigation was still in its early stages. She said there are state laws allowing residents to protect themselves if threatened during a home invasion.

"Every situation is different," she said. "That's why we don't say anything (definitively). We're treating this like any investigation."

Linda Gimnich, a neighbor, said she thought the popping noise she heard in the middle of the night was in a dream. She said she woke up and went to her kitchen window and saw the flashing blue and red lights of police cars. She had a feeling someone had been shot, and she hoped it wasn't the couple who lived in the house where all the activity was centered.

She said she finally went to bed without knowing what had happened. Later in the day, when she learned that the victim was a potential assailant, she said her feeling of dread lifted.

"I'm just so relieved it wasn't either one of them," she said.

Funeral arrangements for Price are incomplete at Johnson-Hughes Funeral Home in Herrin.

http://www.southernillinoisan.com/articles/2005/02/11/top/doc420cb381cdf63684168628.txt

Something strikes me as a bit odd about this whole thing
 
I agree, something does seem weird about that whole situation. If I'm looking for my ex-gf, I'm not going to her maternal grandparents house in the middle of the night. I also am not going to let them both go to different restrooms unsupervised, I also wouldn't have ever put the gun down where granny could've thrown it off the deck. The only half-way intelligent thing the kid did was carry a BUG. From the grampa's perspective, I'm not going to list leaving as one of the options for a deranged man who put a gun to my wifes head. Weird story indeed.
 
You can't ever tell what an Emotionally Disturbed Person will do. I know some peole in that area, it's about 70 miles from where I'm at. I'll see if I can get any more details.

Jeff
 
Wow, I feel stupid.
I read the first line and spent the whole article picturing this in Egypt..."Hm, they have odd names for Egyptians."

But yea, EDPs are irrational, no telling what they might do.
The strangest thing I see here is, how can anyone miss the leg and hit the head?
 
That is quite the aim. It is also weird that he got shot in the back of the head in the middle of a confrontation.
 
I understand that every BG is some mama's son, and if he happens to get killed during a criminal incident his family is going proclaim loudly what a good boy he was, and how he didn't deserve what happened to him, but it still never ceases to just flabbergast me.

Jeffrey, who has previously beat up (underage) girlfriend, breaks into grandma & pop-pop's house middle of the night clad in ski mask and hooded sweatshirt. Has two guns on him. He cuts the telephone lines. Little Jeff has a criminal record in another state and a disorderly conduct charge and RO pending against him locally. He has problems with police in yet another jurisdiction as well. Miz Price believes her stepson was never a threat to anybody although he has a penchant for making threats. He's never even held a gun before either. Why, Jeff gets up at 5:00 AM 3 times a week to take nana to dialysis. With Jeffrey being out at 12:45 AM, I guess Thursday was not a dialysis appointment day for nana. He was just playing hide-and-seek with his little gal. They always did that. :rolleyes: I suppose some people just don't understand the concept of being made to look stupid. Doesn't look like Miz Price does.

Maybe some of the details about the story are a little anomalous. Maybe Jeff did make some odd mistakes. However, anybody who beats up 17 year old girls, steals ATVs (and gets caught), and runs around threatening to hit people a lot is likely not a candidate for a NASA design engineer position anyway. He'd probably be subject to errors in judgement every now and then.
 
Shooting him in the back will look very bad for the guy.
However, wasn't Jeff assaulting his wife? It'd make sense to shoot him to save his wife's life, even if it was in the back.
Sadly, I don't think everyone will see it this way.
 
As written, he "produced another gun" to stop grandma from calling for help on a cell phone.

Facing is irrelevant. According to the survivors, he was given a chance to leave. He was a threat to grandma, "bang" goes grandpa, righteous in every state in the union.

I'm betting grandpa is either claiming the leg thing so he doesn't have to feel as guilty to himself (probably being the classic "it won't happen to me" good guy) or because he mistakingly thinks it is better in the eye's of the law.



On another point, if it was a 1911, he was lucky it functioned perfectly out of the box, ya know, without all those modifications the Glocksters feel to be absolutely necessary to match their pet's reliability.
 
Yeah, the way I read the story it appeared that the kid produced the other gun when Grandma headed for the phone. So the kid was probably turned away from Grandpa and pointing the back-up gun at Grandma when Grandpa fired.
 
Shooting him in the back will look very bad for the guy.
mbs357, IANAL nor do I play one on TV but this issue has come up in both Texas CHL classes I have been in. The answer is that if the shoot would have been good from the front it is just as good from the back according to TX law. Apparently there is a certain amount of case law here regarding this. It looks like if you are protecting someone like grandpop was trying to do with grandmaw, the shoot would be good here. However, I believe that anytime you shoot somebody it's going to look very bad for you for a while. I still think the cops, the DA and possibly the shootee's family's plaintiff attorney would crawl up your backside with a microscope and you'd need to get your story straight but you and grandmaw would still be alive.


Now that's just here in Texas and probably some other states. Don't know about IL.
 
At first I was really impressed with grandpa's aim, until I realized he "missed" his target. :rolleyes: Maybe he ought to spend a little more time at the range, or maybe just continue to shoot for the legs. Don't mess with it if it aint broke. :D

Seriously though, this sounds like a good shoot. I doubt that the grandfather will be charged.

I.G.B.
 
Now that's just here in Texas and probably some other states. Don't know about IL.

Here is the applicable Illinois law:
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilc...0&SeqEnd=15180&ActName=Criminal+Code+of+1961.
(720 ILCS 5/7‑1) (from Ch. 38, par. 7‑1)
Sec. 7‑1. Use of force in defense of person.

(a) A person is justified in the use of force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, he is justified in the use of force which is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm only if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or another, or the commission of a forcible felony.
(b) In no case shall any act involving the use of force justified under this Section give rise to any claim or liability brought by or on behalf of any person acting within the definition of "aggressor" set forth in Section 7‑4 of this Article, or the estate, spouse, or other family member of such a person, against the person or estate of the person using such justified force, unless the use of force involves willful or wanton misconduct.
(Source: P.A. 93‑832, eff. 7‑28‑04.)

If you look at section B you'll see that the plaintiff's lawyer isn't that big of a concern as long as the use of force doesn't involve willful or wanton misconduct.

Any speculation as to why he shot Price in the back of the head..is just that, speculation. We don't know anything about the layout of the house or where the three people we standing in relation to each other.

Jeff
 
this is an outrage! the headline should read "Assault weapon used to recklessly and prematurely end the life of an emotionally disraught innocent child that was loved by all!"


good shooting, grandfather.
 
mbs357, IANAL nor do I play one on TV but this issue has come up in both Texas CHL classes I have been in. The answer is that if the shoot would have been good from the front it is just as good from the back according to TX law
That's good to hear!!
 
What's been reported seems to be a good shoot.

"Aiming for the leg." :rolleyes: Gee, gramps, why didn't you take the gun with the price tags still on it and just shoot the gun out of the poor misunderstood youth's hand.

I'm glad for the folks but I've heard enough ignoramuses state,"There wasn't any need to kill, he could have shot the burglar in the leg."...that it drives me nuts
 
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