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I'll be at the GLBT Pride Festival this weekend...

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The few gay individuals I know are each some of the most closed-minded and liberal people I know. They say they support everyone's rights, but in truth only support rights for themselves. My RKBA rights, in their mind, should be subject to their petty whims.

I don't know if these people are representative of the gay community as a whole, but I certainly hope not. If they are, then we need all of the Pink Pistols we can get. So I wish you the best at your rally. Good work!


Oh, and Lay off of Marshall. Just because his views on homosexuality aren't the same as yours doesn't mean he's a bigot. Diversity and tolerance work both ways.
 
Okay, no problem. We don't need that swishy/butchy gay/lesbian vote anyway.

We also don't need the Jewish vote. Or the Catholic, Presbyterian, Methodist, Episcopalians or even the Lutherans... What do the Scientoligists think about guns?

We don't need the African-American vote.

Or the Soccer-Mommy vote.

Or the urban vote.

Or the suburban vote.

Or the union vote.

In fact, when all those folks vote to elect folks who'll tell the police to come get 'em, we can all hole up in the desert in Nevada until we run outta food.

That'll show 'em.

Personally, since I like to be able to drive outta the Compound to grab a snack, I'll welcome damn near anyone into the shooting sports.
 
Unfortunately I can't make it to Boston Pride thus year (or the hempfest either) as I'm just too busy.

The Pink Pistols had a great time there a few years ago. We all carried super-soakers (refilled from buckets in the back of my pickup). It was a hot day and the crowd LOVED being "shot". :cool:
 
*Double-checks calender just to make sure that this is, indeed, the 21st century.*

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Marshall, it's unlikely anyone is going to get you to change your mind. However you might consider the following as just a bit of food for thought:

The more homosexuals and other assorted minority groups that learn to effectively use firearms for self-defense, the less powerful many of their self-appointed "protectors" become.

Which do you think would have been better for gun rights specifically, and freedom in general:

1)Matthew Shepard, a gay man is abducted, robbed, brutally beaten and left for dead. As a result of his death, many groups call for the passage of so-called "hate crime" legislation which cracks down on people's first amendment rights and punishes perpetrators disproportionatly based on what social group their victim belonged to.

2)Matthew Shepard, a gay man who carries a Glock is accosted by two thugs who attempt to victimize him. He responds by shooting both of his would-be assailants. As a result, many people in the homosexual community begin to reconsider their antagonistic views with regard to guns and gun owners, and stop supporting the cause of victim disarmament.
 
i think the theme of this thread is that you don't have to be:

1) pro-gay and anti-gun, or

2) pro-gun and anti-gay

there is no corellation to one's sexual preference and 2nd Amendment right.

thus, you can be:

1) anti-gun and anti-gay, or

2) pro-gun and pro-gay

or even ambivolent about one or the other, or both.

i will agree, though, the most gays are anti-gun, and most gun owners are anti-gay.

but there are some who can see past their 'party lines' and be for or against both. :)

also remember, there may be a THR member or two who are gay. let's not take to bashing THEM. ;)
 
Justin,I'll vote for number 2,and I would guess that most THR memebers would say the same.As a parent with a gay child,I am pretty tolerant of most people's viewpoints,until you start talking and encouraging violence against the minority groups,then it becomes an issue.So let's just try to get along,okay?Just my 2 cents. :)
 
Justin,

I think you stand a much higher chance of loosing many "gun moderate people" that have not voted anti gun in the past than getting the liberals to become pro gun, by a long shot. That will never happen. IMO you are looking at it completely inaccurately and stand a good chance of doing damage by trying to do good.

As far as your comparison and question to me about which would I rather have, you have assumed those two options have anything at all to do with my point. In fact, the best option is to have people protected by guns, all people. However, as I said, it has nothing to do with my point.

My point again is, I am not going to promote gay organizations just because of guns. It draws more attention to the gay part than the gun part, by far. It's just another avenue for gay promotion and to get more of you to not oppose them. The fact is, gay people have all the same avenues to promote guns and the RKBA as the rest of us do without promoting their own agenda as well. The fact that they are using this in this way is laughable to me.

Should I have an organization named "Anti gays for guns"? How about "Southern Baptist that don't approve of drinking, for guns"? Maybe "Abortionists for guns"? What am I really promoting? I hope some folks see this because it has a chance to backfire.
 
What I never understand is why minority groups feel the need to have a special-interest, special-interest group.

Why does a group like the Pink Pistols need to exist? They promote gun ownership and protecting the second amendment, right? Then why not just be part of the NRA or GOA? What does being gay have to do with guns? Last time I checked, the NRA did not require one to be straight to participate.

Minorities preach a policy of unity, when really I think sometimes their efforts result in further division.

I am a member of a christian church. I am also a member of a pro-gun organization. I am not a member of a pro-christian, pro-gun organization though. These are seperate issues.

I am sorry, but I am not going to do much to support the Pink Pistols, as I only support a portion of their apparrent agenda. I am neutral on the gay issue. I see no reason for me to support or hurt their cause. They can do whatever they want, just leave me out of it.

Here is a quote from their website:

There are now over 35 Pink Pistols chapters nationwide, and more are starting up every day. We are dedicated to the legal, safe, and responsible use of firearms for self-defense of the sexual-minority community.
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They clearly state they are dedicated to firearms use by the sexual minority community. I don't see where they say they support this for the community at large. The 2nd Amendment already guarantees this right to everyone. By supporting this right especially for gays, they are in fact pushing their homosexual agenda as well as a pro-gun agenda.
 
Marshall,

You don't approve of interracial marriage, but you're not a bigot? Oooooooooookay. I've heard everything I need to know.

I'll just leave it at this: I'm proud to stand with ANY pro-freedom folk, and the direction of their affection just doesn't make any difference in my life.

That they just happen to be a tremendously effective wedge for gun rights into a tough-to-crack demographic is sweet, sweet icing on the cake.

Joining the Pink Pistols is not "promoting gay organizations." (Everyone: "Not that there's anything wrong with that!") It's promoting gun rights -- for everyone, even people that the intolerant would brand as "immoral."

And, incidentally, attitudes like yours create and reinforce an atmosphere that leads to the sort of gay-bashing that these folks are trying to arm themselves against. So thanks a lot for nothing.
 
I'll just leave it at this: I'm proud to stand with ANY pro-freedom folk, and the direction of their affection just doesn't make any difference in my life.
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Works for me. The only time I've been annoyed at a gay person was when my wife and I met some friends of ours at Hooters for lunch. The friends are a lesbian couple; they got there ahead of us and took the best eye-balling seats at the table. And they weren't even apologetic about it. ;)


What I never understand is why minority groups feel the need to have a special-interest, special-interest group.
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If you can say that with a straight face then I doubt you ever will understand.
 
Why does a group like the Pink Pistols need to exist? They promote gun ownership and protecting the second amendment, right? Then why not just be part of the NRA or GOA?
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I'll call Aaron at Jews for the Preservation of Firearm Ownership right away and tell him I want my donations back, and I'll recommend that the Second Amendment Sisters cease operations, since they're so useless. :rolleyes:

They need to exist because they challenge people's preconceptions. It's way too easy to look at "NRA types" as a bunch of iggerant redneck hillybilly yahoos. Kenn Blanchard, Paxton Quigley, Aaron Zelman and, yes, the Pink Pistols, challenge that stereotype to exactly the people most likely to have them.

I'm proud to swim against the tide of my coreligionists, being an armed American Jew. To most of the world, I'm just a white guy with a gun, but to certain kneejerk liberals, I can say, hey, I will NOT sit still and let the Buford Furrows of the world have the upper hand. I'm Jewish, but I sure ain't Woody Allen. I'm armed, and I shoot back.

That's a much more powerful message than the NRA can send, and the Pink Pistols do exactly the same thing.
 
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The reason "NRA types" look like "NRA types" is because there is not proper representation from females, homosexuals, and Jews.

Carving out niche organizations for each sub-group exacerbates this problem.

As painful as it may be to accept, the JPFO and 2nd Amendment Sisters are pretty much useless in terms of political clout. They get a few headlines now and then, but no politician fears them.

I am not trying to be rude nor particularly incorrect nor anti-gay. We need to come together as gun owners under one roof, not splinter into a thousand useless fragments.
 
On the other hand, women come to places like this and hear that they're evil abusers and Lautenberg cases waiting to happen, gays are evil sinners, Muslims are all jihadis, etc.

You really wonder why they start their own groups? It's 'cause the typical gun crowd as seen on THR is slightly skewed in their perception of their own importance.

I agree there has to be unifying forces, but I don't see any problem with people belong to more than one organization, either. I belong to SAS..I also belong to GOA and SAF and NRA and SAFR, etc. Actually, I belong to the Pink Pistols, too, but I gave Oleg my pin and stopped getting their emails because the most frequent poster was a transsexual and I found that annoying (sorry, Al! I'm still a member, right?) So, I guess I don't see it being a big problem at all..they change some opinions, they have a good time shooting without having people give them crap and they're pro-gun. Good enough for me.
 
Hmmm......well.......guess I'm just too red around the neck to agree. The whole gun thing is not going to live or die because of gays with pink pistols wearing tutu's. Besides, I don't want my future grandkids to have to be made to read books in school like "My other daddy" and be taught that's an OK way of life. Oh yea, not that there's anything wrong with that.
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You don't approve of interracial marriage, but you're not a bigot? Oooooooooookay. I've heard everything I need to know.
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That's absolutely correct! I can love and respect any person of any race but that does not mean I have to approve of mixed marriages. You are correct, it does not make me a bigot at all. There are many reason for me not approving that go a lot deeper than your shallow thinking.

You know what's so funny, I have been very polite and exact in my points but yet, Matt Payne, you seem to be the one stereotyping me, calling me names and looking at me with a closed mind, one that's operating under preconceived views, you're the one with the agenda and I'm not falling for it. I know that upsets you greatly but I have the right to do so and see through it.

I have already gone into why I don't support gay organizations such as Pink Pistols, I have explained it well and nowhere have I said anything about my views of a gay person. If someone is gay, they're gay. They're still a person I love as a fellow human. That does not mean that I have to go along with the promotion of the gay way of life.

Actually Matt, attitudes like yours are one of the biggest problems. I can't disagree with you without you turning to ugliness.

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They need to exist because they challenge people's preconceptions.
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You see, my point is proved. They don't need to exist for gun rights do they Matt? Like you said, to challenge peoples views, that's what it's all about. Just like I said earlier, the RKBA has nothing to do with this. I'm telling you all, don't fall for it, here is the admission for all to see.
 
Pretty much all I need to hear to figure out the tolerance level around the Marshal house
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What happened to Marshal's right to believe the way he wants to believe? Forced tolerance is not tolerance. Marshal has the right to think and believe how he wants. I dont agree with the homosexual lifestyle, but hey, its your life, do what you want, dont hurt me, and we wont have a problem. Forced tolerance/diversity is going to hurt us in the long run.

The Pink Pistols are more about being gay, that about 2nd amend rights, IMO.
 
C'mon joab, that's it? :rolleyes:

Actually, I would like to see us go back about 50 years when it comes to a lot of thing that have become accepted in todays society. Sometimes I look around and just shake my head about some of the things I see people doing, protesting about, etc. Seems nothing is sacred anymore.

GOD's out, prayer's out, commandments are out, it's OK to compare America to Nazi's on the senate floor during times of war, homosexuality can't be challenged without those on the other side accusing those whom do of bashing gays. I can go and on and on, it's sad in my opinion. :(

jojo, thank you.
 
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