I wish you were 100% right. In my state registered machine guns are legal, Suppressor/silencers are legal, AOW are legal, Bur SBR arent not allowed. Now how stupid is that. How can a state ban something that the federal law says I can have if I pass their background check? Same as the states that kept the AWB?
Illegal AR-15 to M-16 conversions
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Carl N. Brown
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When in doubt, write ATF Firearms and Technology
ATF told NRA years ago that AR15 builds cannot have the FA parts
that would enable the gun to fire full auto with a drop-in auto sear
(carrier, hammer, disconnect, etc), even tho' the drop-in autoi sear
is serially numbered and registered as a machinegun itself. This info
may be dated and ATF may have a different position today.
This is why it is always good on NFA questions to write the BATFE
Firearms and Technology Branch and get a written letter and keep
it, as I did on the question of an original C96 Mauser with modern
replica holster-stock. I keep a copy of the letter in the lining of the
gun case with my C96.
ATF told NRA years ago that AR15 builds cannot have the FA parts
that would enable the gun to fire full auto with a drop-in auto sear
(carrier, hammer, disconnect, etc), even tho' the drop-in autoi sear
is serially numbered and registered as a machinegun itself. This info
may be dated and ATF may have a different position today.
This is why it is always good on NFA questions to write the BATFE
Firearms and Technology Branch and get a written letter and keep
it, as I did on the question of an original C96 Mauser with modern
replica holster-stock. I keep a copy of the letter in the lining of the
gun case with my C96.
Hkmp5sd
Member
Shootcraps
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I don't understand this. My friend (who works at a gun store) bought an AR15 upper with 11" barrel at the gun show. After he had possession, he sent in the forms to register the lower so he could put them together. I've heard from others at stores and shows that possession is not illegal without the registration, as long as you don't put them together.
Hkmp5sd
Member
Did he leave the gun at the store until the forms cleared? If not, he was in violation and could be charged with an unregistered SBR. ATF is not shy about saying this. They will tell you up front that possession of the parts to assemble illegal firearm is good enough for them. Don't take my word for it, write to their Technical Branch and ask. They are more than happy to answer questions.
Mere possession....
Mere possession.....
Mere possession....
Mere possession.....
gunsmith
member
sleeeeeepy I'm feeeeelinng sleeepy
darn bureacrats! they can mess up a dream about Jessica Simpson.
I'm guessing when I take my friends AK and pull it forward while keeping my finger stiff on the trigger and it goes rat a tat tat and empties the mag faster then I can pull the trigger, I'm breaking the dang law?
darn bureacrats! they can mess up a dream about Jessica Simpson.
I'm guessing when I take my friends AK and pull it forward while keeping my finger stiff on the trigger and it goes rat a tat tat and empties the mag faster then I can pull the trigger, I'm breaking the dang law?
lightweight
Member
There are five critical M16 parts that
should not used in an AR15 build. M16 bolt carrier and
hammer are two.
If this were true Colt would be in trouble for shipping 6920 W/m-16 bolt and carriers.
should not used in an AR15 build. M16 bolt carrier and
hammer are two.
If this were true Colt would be in trouble for shipping 6920 W/m-16 bolt and carriers.
Master Blaster
Member
Illegal dont do it, posted for informational purposes to help law abiding ar owners keep from breaking the law.
You are 100% wrong. Even a colt can be made to fire FA with a simple piece of sheet metal.
Note this is illegal and I advise anyone not to even think of doing it.
There is something called a "lightning link" which is simply a 10 cent piece of sheet metal that holds the disconector back on a semi auto ar and causes it to fire full auto. They are Illegal so dont try it. If you do a search on the internet you will probably find plans for it.
Posession of the lightning link and an AR can earn you 10 years in jail.
Illegal dont do it, posted for informational purposes to help law abiding ar owners keep from breaking the law.
You are 100% wrong. Even a colt can be made to fire FA with a simple piece of sheet metal.
Note this is illegal and I advise anyone not to even think of doing it.
There is something called a "lightning link" which is simply a 10 cent piece of sheet metal that holds the disconector back on a semi auto ar and causes it to fire full auto. They are Illegal so dont try it. If you do a search on the internet you will probably find plans for it.
Posession of the lightning link and an AR can earn you 10 years in jail.
Illegal dont do it, posted for informational purposes to help law abiding ar owners keep from breaking the law.
Does anyone have any idea how often, if ever, arrests are made for violation of NFA laws?
You watch any action movie and you think that there must be a cottage industry of full auto supplier for the gangs.
Is the ATF actively pursuing this?
I don't seem to read about arrests.
Any lawyers out there?
You watch any action movie and you think that there must be a cottage industry of full auto supplier for the gangs.
Is the ATF actively pursuing this?
I don't seem to read about arrests.
Any lawyers out there?
deadin
Member
444,
Come on up here to Washington state and explain this to our AG. 
Dean
Come on up here to Washington state and explain this to our AG.
Dean
"There is something called a "lightning link" which is simply a 10 cent piece of sheet metal that holds the disconector back on a semi auto ar and causes it to fire full auto. They are Illegal so dont try it. "
This is not true. Lightning Links are perfectly legal. If you choose to make a new one today, THAT would be illegal unless you are a licenced manufacturer, but you can go out and buy a legal transferable lightning link quite easily. And, they don't work on all Colts or even most Colts.
For those of you that have state or local laws against owning this stuff, that is too bad. I feel for you. But that doesn't mean you can make blanket statements on a worldwide forum that these things are illegal. You are wrong. Nearly anything on earth is illegal somewhere. Some idiot has made a law against almost everything somewhere. There are places where it is illegal to buy a new 30 round magazine. There are places where it is illegal to own a handgun of any kind. There are places where certain dog breeds are illegal. There are places where it is illegal to spit on the sidewalk. Does that mean that the people that live there should make blanket statements to a world wide audience every chance they get saying that these things are illegal, period ?
In my opinion, it is ignorant and irresponsible. And, it is working against the RKBA. My dad used to always tell me: "People may think you are an idiot, but don't open your mouth and prove it to them". I think that applies here.
A lot of people on this board spend a lot of time trying to discourage people from exercising their right to buy certain firearms and firearm accessories. They accomplish this by spread misinformation based on absolutely nothing. 99.9% of the posts you read regarding NFA weapons come from people who don't own NFA weapons and never have owned an NFA weapon. They tell you they are illegal, they tell you the process is super complicated, they tell you that owning an NFA weapon will result in the ATF making inspections on your house without a warrant etc. They back none of this up with references or any personal experience. It is just something they read on an online forum. Let me give you a piece of advice: Most of them don't know what they are talking about. You should respond to every post by asking about their personal experience in the matter that qualifies them to answer the question in the first place.
FWIW, I got a PM a few months ago from another guy on this very board. He told me that he always believed that owning NFA weapons was so complicated that he never seriously considered it. He said that he read a post, written by me, disputing these so called facts posted by some clown on this board. I said that it was easy to own NFA weapons etc. He decided to look into it for himself instead of relying on the BS posted here. Guess what ? He now owns an NFA weapon and PMed me to thank me for making it possible: he would have never actually tried if he hadn't read one of my posts. I appreciate that. Hopefully, we can educate more of the gun owning community instead of spreading BS.
This is not true. Lightning Links are perfectly legal. If you choose to make a new one today, THAT would be illegal unless you are a licenced manufacturer, but you can go out and buy a legal transferable lightning link quite easily. And, they don't work on all Colts or even most Colts.
For those of you that have state or local laws against owning this stuff, that is too bad. I feel for you. But that doesn't mean you can make blanket statements on a worldwide forum that these things are illegal. You are wrong. Nearly anything on earth is illegal somewhere. Some idiot has made a law against almost everything somewhere. There are places where it is illegal to buy a new 30 round magazine. There are places where it is illegal to own a handgun of any kind. There are places where certain dog breeds are illegal. There are places where it is illegal to spit on the sidewalk. Does that mean that the people that live there should make blanket statements to a world wide audience every chance they get saying that these things are illegal, period ?
In my opinion, it is ignorant and irresponsible. And, it is working against the RKBA. My dad used to always tell me: "People may think you are an idiot, but don't open your mouth and prove it to them". I think that applies here.
A lot of people on this board spend a lot of time trying to discourage people from exercising their right to buy certain firearms and firearm accessories. They accomplish this by spread misinformation based on absolutely nothing. 99.9% of the posts you read regarding NFA weapons come from people who don't own NFA weapons and never have owned an NFA weapon. They tell you they are illegal, they tell you the process is super complicated, they tell you that owning an NFA weapon will result in the ATF making inspections on your house without a warrant etc. They back none of this up with references or any personal experience. It is just something they read on an online forum. Let me give you a piece of advice: Most of them don't know what they are talking about. You should respond to every post by asking about their personal experience in the matter that qualifies them to answer the question in the first place.
FWIW, I got a PM a few months ago from another guy on this very board. He told me that he always believed that owning NFA weapons was so complicated that he never seriously considered it. He said that he read a post, written by me, disputing these so called facts posted by some clown on this board. I said that it was easy to own NFA weapons etc. He decided to look into it for himself instead of relying on the BS posted here. Guess what ? He now owns an NFA weapon and PMed me to thank me for making it possible: he would have never actually tried if he hadn't read one of my posts. I appreciate that. Hopefully, we can educate more of the gun owning community instead of spreading BS.
Jim Watson
Member
The key thing to me is that it is not legal for me, a US citizen, to buy a fully automatic firearm made since 1986. I do not consider being graciously allowed to pay ever-increasing scalpers' prices for guns 20+ years old to be a real comprehensive right.
It isn't a right because you arn't willing to pay what it costs ?
Yeah, that makes sense.
I really want a BMW M5, but I don't have the right as a US citizen to own one. Why ? Because I am not willing to pay the price that they are selling for. And, I am going to make sure everyone on the internet knows that I don't have that right.
Yeah, that makes sense.
I really want a BMW M5, but I don't have the right as a US citizen to own one. Why ? Because I am not willing to pay the price that they are selling for. And, I am going to make sure everyone on the internet knows that I don't have that right.
Hkmp5sd
Member
I really, really want a FN P90. Price doesn't matter. It's the '86 FOPA that is killing me. Doing the NFA thing isn't all that much of a problem. I just wish we could get new machineguns.
I really wish we could too. But, I don't see it happening. The Republicans are way to far to the left to let that happen.
Let me waste your time with a little made-up story to illustrate my point about the legality of NFA weapons. Let's say that I came from a place so remote that I didn't know anything about "civilization" other than the fact that I am fluent in the English language. I somehow get aquainted with you and we have the following conversation:
Hey, I see these things going up and down the roads called cars. I want one. Can I have one ?
Sure, most everybody has one. They are perfectly legal for anyone to own.
Great, where do I go and get mine ?
Well, they don't just give them away, you have to buy them. They cost money.
How much money ?
Well, they ain't cheap. Even a good used car is going to cost thousands.
Wow, I thought if I wanted one that was all it took to get one.
No way, and that's just the beginning. After you buy it, you have to pay sales tax on it. On a relatively new vehicle that will be thousands.
Sales tax ? What for ?
It is money you pay to the government that is in addition to the price of the car. Who knows exactly what you are paying it for, but you have to pay it if you want to buy anything.
I don't know much about taxes, but from what I have heard up until now, I don't believe in them. I think they are nothing but extortion. If owning a car is legal, why do I have to pay them off ?
I don't know, but everyone that owns a car bought into it.
Then you have to register it. In some states that is thousands, every year. Registration is where you give the government all kinds of personal information like what kind of car you have, where you live and stuff like that. You have to pay for it and I have no idea what you get in return for the money other than a cheap aluminum plate that you are required to mount on the car even if you think it looks like hell on your new car. Oh, wait, I forgot something else, before you can register it, you have to buy insurance. On a new car, that will also be thousands a year.
Holy liability Batman, what's insurance ?
Well, at a minimum, it will pay for someone's bodily injury and the damage to their vehicle if the two of you have an accident.
The hell with them. I am not paying to take care of them.
Oh yes you will, if you want to drive.
But I thought you said that driving was legal ?
It is, but the government regulates it. Almost every aspect of it. There is almost nothing about driving that isn't regulated and very little that isn't taxed.
Ok, so if I pay all that, then I can drive my car ?
Oh no. You still don't have a drivers license. That requires a written test, a vision test, and you have to pay for that also. The best part is that when you are paying all this money and taking these tests you have to wait in lines with a bunch of trolls and the people working there are rude.
But all this is legal ?
Yup.
I don't see how anybody can buy a car or drive if you have to do all that stuff.
Well, most people do. In fact, most of the people I know have a car for every member of the family that is of driving age and a lot of them have more cars than that. They have stuff like sports cars, off road cars and stuff like that that they own just for fun in addition to the cars they use to go to work and to go shopping. Even the people I know that live close to work and to stores own cars. Even if the government provides safe and reliable public transportation, most people still own a car. Jumping through all those hoops and paying all that money is worth it to them for various reasons.
Hell, If you want to do something that is far easier, and costs way less money, buy a machine gun.
So what is the moral to the story ?
1) Just because something costs money doesn't make it illegal.
2) Just because you can't afford it doesn't make it illegal. Obviously there are plenty of people that CAN afford machine guns because the price keeps going up. That means there is strong demand.
3) Just because something is regulated by the government doesn't mean it is illegal.
4) Just because the government taxes something doesn't make it illegal.
5) Just because something isn't simple doesn't make it illegal
6) You already pay FAR more money and jumpt trough FAR more hoops to own a car than you would to own a machine gun/suppressor/SBR/SBS/lightning link/drop in auto sear/.................................
7) You posting that something is illegal on the internet doesn't make it so.
8) If you don't know what you are talking about, don't bother to post. If you just want to read your own writing on line, then post to the threads about shooting monsters, or the every-other-day threads about shooting dogs. BUT, don't post advice about real issues unless you REALLY know what you are talking about. Experience required. This means that just because you "heard something" or you read a post on-line, you are NOT knowlegable about the issue and are not adding anything to the conversation.
Let me waste your time with a little made-up story to illustrate my point about the legality of NFA weapons. Let's say that I came from a place so remote that I didn't know anything about "civilization" other than the fact that I am fluent in the English language. I somehow get aquainted with you and we have the following conversation:
Hey, I see these things going up and down the roads called cars. I want one. Can I have one ?
Sure, most everybody has one. They are perfectly legal for anyone to own.
Great, where do I go and get mine ?
Well, they don't just give them away, you have to buy them. They cost money.
How much money ?
Well, they ain't cheap. Even a good used car is going to cost thousands.
Wow, I thought if I wanted one that was all it took to get one.
No way, and that's just the beginning. After you buy it, you have to pay sales tax on it. On a relatively new vehicle that will be thousands.
Sales tax ? What for ?
It is money you pay to the government that is in addition to the price of the car. Who knows exactly what you are paying it for, but you have to pay it if you want to buy anything.
I don't know much about taxes, but from what I have heard up until now, I don't believe in them. I think they are nothing but extortion. If owning a car is legal, why do I have to pay them off ?
I don't know, but everyone that owns a car bought into it.
Then you have to register it. In some states that is thousands, every year. Registration is where you give the government all kinds of personal information like what kind of car you have, where you live and stuff like that. You have to pay for it and I have no idea what you get in return for the money other than a cheap aluminum plate that you are required to mount on the car even if you think it looks like hell on your new car. Oh, wait, I forgot something else, before you can register it, you have to buy insurance. On a new car, that will also be thousands a year.
Holy liability Batman, what's insurance ?
Well, at a minimum, it will pay for someone's bodily injury and the damage to their vehicle if the two of you have an accident.
The hell with them. I am not paying to take care of them.
Oh yes you will, if you want to drive.
But I thought you said that driving was legal ?
It is, but the government regulates it. Almost every aspect of it. There is almost nothing about driving that isn't regulated and very little that isn't taxed.
Ok, so if I pay all that, then I can drive my car ?
Oh no. You still don't have a drivers license. That requires a written test, a vision test, and you have to pay for that also. The best part is that when you are paying all this money and taking these tests you have to wait in lines with a bunch of trolls and the people working there are rude.
But all this is legal ?
Yup.
I don't see how anybody can buy a car or drive if you have to do all that stuff.
Well, most people do. In fact, most of the people I know have a car for every member of the family that is of driving age and a lot of them have more cars than that. They have stuff like sports cars, off road cars and stuff like that that they own just for fun in addition to the cars they use to go to work and to go shopping. Even the people I know that live close to work and to stores own cars. Even if the government provides safe and reliable public transportation, most people still own a car. Jumping through all those hoops and paying all that money is worth it to them for various reasons.
Hell, If you want to do something that is far easier, and costs way less money, buy a machine gun.
So what is the moral to the story ?
1) Just because something costs money doesn't make it illegal.
2) Just because you can't afford it doesn't make it illegal. Obviously there are plenty of people that CAN afford machine guns because the price keeps going up. That means there is strong demand.
3) Just because something is regulated by the government doesn't mean it is illegal.
4) Just because the government taxes something doesn't make it illegal.
5) Just because something isn't simple doesn't make it illegal
6) You already pay FAR more money and jumpt trough FAR more hoops to own a car than you would to own a machine gun/suppressor/SBR/SBS/lightning link/drop in auto sear/.................................
7) You posting that something is illegal on the internet doesn't make it so.
8) If you don't know what you are talking about, don't bother to post. If you just want to read your own writing on line, then post to the threads about shooting monsters, or the every-other-day threads about shooting dogs. BUT, don't post advice about real issues unless you REALLY know what you are talking about. Experience required. This means that just because you "heard something" or you read a post on-line, you are NOT knowlegable about the issue and are not adding anything to the conversation.
Jim Watson
Member
444,
You miss my point. It is not what I am willing to pay, it is what I get for my money.
There is no price tag on a P90 for Hkmp5sd.
I expect there are some people who think that there should be a horsepower limit and that you should not be able to buy a new 200+ hp sportscar, only only one with antique tags. The car analogy does not hold up in the present market.
You miss my point. It is not what I am willing to pay, it is what I get for my money.
There is no price tag on a P90 for Hkmp5sd.
I expect there are some people who think that there should be a horsepower limit and that you should not be able to buy a new 200+ hp sportscar, only only one with antique tags. The car analogy does not hold up in the present market.
"You miss my point. It is not what I am willing to pay, it is what I get for my money. "
You are right. I guess I don't see what your point is.
I know what NFA weapons cost.
I am willing to pay the price.
Machine Guns are expensive WHEN COMPARED TO OTHER CONVENTIONAL FIREARMS such as those sold at your local gun shop or Wal-Mart.
However, they ARE NOT expensive when compared to other, more mainstream hobby/leisure/neat toy expenditures. Let me qualify that statement a little bit. I live in Las Vegas. People here are not conservative with their spending. I grew up in rural Ohio and I know that people there don't think like the people here. So, I realize my viewpoint is skewed from some other people on this board. I also have a pretty decent job. Many of the people that I associate with have decent jobs and their wives also have pretty decent jobs. In other words, they are not eating Ramen to hold them over till payday, but they also are by no means rich or anything. That being said, pretty much everyone I know, owns toy/toys that are far more expensive than most machine guns. I have a number of friends with boats. I have a number of friends with motorhomes. I have a number of friends that own sports cars. I work with three different guys that have honest to God race cars with sponsors, but they also pay a lot of the expenses themselves. I have a number of friends that are part owners in airplanes. I have friends that travel extensively and stay at plush resorts. I have friends that own ATVs and sand rails along with a travel trailer/toy hauler to take them and their family to the sand dunes to ride them. I have friends that own whatever the coolest/fastest motorcycles that are out there. Half the guys I work with (hundreds) own Harleys and most of them are highly customized. I work with guys that have all that stuff and a half dozen kids. I know guys that have house payments that are over $4000/month. I know guys that have season tickets to NFL games that reqire them to fly to every game. Heck, if you go to Disneyland for a few days with a couple kids and stay in the park you are probably going to come close to spending as much as a cheap machine gun for that short little trip.
None of this matters to me. Why ? Because those arn't my hobbies. I am interested in other things. Namely, guns. That is what I spend my fun money on. Not too long ago, I bought a Colt M16. It cost about the same as a Harley. It cost about 1/3 as much as a Corvette. Maybe a fourth as much as a cheap motorhome. Far less than two top of the line quads.
Bottom line: machine guns are cheap compared to common recreation items. People on this board consider them expensive only because they are comparing them to grandpaw's old squirrel rifle or a Wal-Mart 870.
There is nothing wrong with that: to each their own. Everyone has their own life to lead and everyone has different priorities. I have no problem with any of that. What I do have a problem with is people trying to tell other people that this stuff is illegal, or not worth looking into because YOU can't afford it or don't want to afford it.
If you don't have any NFA weapons, and don't ever intend to buy any NFA weapons because of the cost or whatever reason. Why do you feel drawn to post on threads that are discussing them ? Just so you can tell everyone that you think they are over priced ? Just to moan that you feel our rights are being trampled by the man (duh) ?
This stuff is fun. I want to encourage as many people as I can do become involved. Take your firearms hobby in another direction. Dispel the myth that this stuff is illegal or hard to get. Don't spread false rumors about this stuff. Take this stuff mainstream. Show the people at your local club that responsible gun owners own suppressors and machine guns and short barreled rifles and short barreled shotguns. When you are shooting them at your local club (and having a ball doing it), there will be ignorant people that will come up and accuse you of being a felon, just like happens on this board. This is your chance to try to educate these people that these things are in fact, perfectly legal. Set the record straight. Stop the insanity.
I have said this before, but one of the saddest thing about all this is that back in the days when you could buy new machine guns, a lot of people didn't because they thought they were illegal or because they didn't understand what was inovled or because they were afraid. If they had been educated, that would be all the more people out there that are intelligently opposing these laws not to mention that they would have owned all the more transferable machine guns because they bought them back when you still could get new ones. Instead, they are still passing on the false rumors because they never learned any better. I was one of those people prior to 1986. If I had really known how to go about it, I would have owned plenty of stuff because back then it wasn't very expensive. There was no huge sacrifice. But, I listened to the gunstore commandos and the guys out at the club, that didn't know crap about it.
You are right. I guess I don't see what your point is.
I know what NFA weapons cost.
I am willing to pay the price.
Machine Guns are expensive WHEN COMPARED TO OTHER CONVENTIONAL FIREARMS such as those sold at your local gun shop or Wal-Mart.
However, they ARE NOT expensive when compared to other, more mainstream hobby/leisure/neat toy expenditures. Let me qualify that statement a little bit. I live in Las Vegas. People here are not conservative with their spending. I grew up in rural Ohio and I know that people there don't think like the people here. So, I realize my viewpoint is skewed from some other people on this board. I also have a pretty decent job. Many of the people that I associate with have decent jobs and their wives also have pretty decent jobs. In other words, they are not eating Ramen to hold them over till payday, but they also are by no means rich or anything. That being said, pretty much everyone I know, owns toy/toys that are far more expensive than most machine guns. I have a number of friends with boats. I have a number of friends with motorhomes. I have a number of friends that own sports cars. I work with three different guys that have honest to God race cars with sponsors, but they also pay a lot of the expenses themselves. I have a number of friends that are part owners in airplanes. I have friends that travel extensively and stay at plush resorts. I have friends that own ATVs and sand rails along with a travel trailer/toy hauler to take them and their family to the sand dunes to ride them. I have friends that own whatever the coolest/fastest motorcycles that are out there. Half the guys I work with (hundreds) own Harleys and most of them are highly customized. I work with guys that have all that stuff and a half dozen kids. I know guys that have house payments that are over $4000/month. I know guys that have season tickets to NFL games that reqire them to fly to every game. Heck, if you go to Disneyland for a few days with a couple kids and stay in the park you are probably going to come close to spending as much as a cheap machine gun for that short little trip.
None of this matters to me. Why ? Because those arn't my hobbies. I am interested in other things. Namely, guns. That is what I spend my fun money on. Not too long ago, I bought a Colt M16. It cost about the same as a Harley. It cost about 1/3 as much as a Corvette. Maybe a fourth as much as a cheap motorhome. Far less than two top of the line quads.
Bottom line: machine guns are cheap compared to common recreation items. People on this board consider them expensive only because they are comparing them to grandpaw's old squirrel rifle or a Wal-Mart 870.
There is nothing wrong with that: to each their own. Everyone has their own life to lead and everyone has different priorities. I have no problem with any of that. What I do have a problem with is people trying to tell other people that this stuff is illegal, or not worth looking into because YOU can't afford it or don't want to afford it.
If you don't have any NFA weapons, and don't ever intend to buy any NFA weapons because of the cost or whatever reason. Why do you feel drawn to post on threads that are discussing them ? Just so you can tell everyone that you think they are over priced ? Just to moan that you feel our rights are being trampled by the man (duh) ?
This stuff is fun. I want to encourage as many people as I can do become involved. Take your firearms hobby in another direction. Dispel the myth that this stuff is illegal or hard to get. Don't spread false rumors about this stuff. Take this stuff mainstream. Show the people at your local club that responsible gun owners own suppressors and machine guns and short barreled rifles and short barreled shotguns. When you are shooting them at your local club (and having a ball doing it), there will be ignorant people that will come up and accuse you of being a felon, just like happens on this board. This is your chance to try to educate these people that these things are in fact, perfectly legal. Set the record straight. Stop the insanity.
I have said this before, but one of the saddest thing about all this is that back in the days when you could buy new machine guns, a lot of people didn't because they thought they were illegal or because they didn't understand what was inovled or because they were afraid. If they had been educated, that would be all the more people out there that are intelligently opposing these laws not to mention that they would have owned all the more transferable machine guns because they bought them back when you still could get new ones. Instead, they are still passing on the false rumors because they never learned any better. I was one of those people prior to 1986. If I had really known how to go about it, I would have owned plenty of stuff because back then it wasn't very expensive. There was no huge sacrifice. But, I listened to the gunstore commandos and the guys out at the club, that didn't know crap about it.
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