im getting an ar-15, i think i want a rra but i want ur input

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i want a rock river arms standard a-4 with a stainless steel barrel.
i think its the best one i can get for the money. if u think u know of a better a-4 type ar-15 (full size flattop) then please let me know.


stag arms- tell me about their rifles, i know alot of people like them.
now im thinkin a stagarms lower with a rra standard a-4 stanless steel barrel and carry handle upper
 
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I own a " during ban " RRA carbine . the trigger is frankly BAD other than that its a fine rifle , and in fact when scoped has no issues of collecting prarie dogs at 400+ . With a better upper it would do better , and with a better trigger it would do better with the stock upper . As it sets now it will shoot " minute of coyote " for about as far as i can see them to shoot .
 
There's nothing wrong with DPMS models.
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Actually, there is...they have some issues (like not knowing what a 5.56mm chamber is). Yes, I know many on this board have DPMSs that are fine, but they are one of the lower quality AR manufactorers. I have seen several cases where DPMS rifles have been no good...

I think you should look at Stag and CMMG, in addition to RRA.
 
i have a RRA upper mated to a stag lower. stag and RRA are both funominal rifles. both companys make a rifle that will shoot sub MOA and are a-3, or 4 style rifles. me personaly, would choose the stag, but RRA would be a very close second. DPMS is okay, but you have to buy the really expensive versions to get any match quality out of 'em.

just my $.02.


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It depends on what you want the rifle to be good at. I think there are plenty worse rifles on the racks, but if you want... say a home defense rifle, you'd be better served by a lightweight M4-gery. If you want a target rifle, RRA makes a heckuva varmint rig. If you want to shoot in competitions, White Oak could hook you up...

That said, for my own all-around rifle, I chose a Rock River flat-top upper with a mid-length 16" stainless steel barrel...
 
There's nothing wrong with DPMS models.
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Indeed. I defer to my DPMSes when I need an accurate varminting or paper punching gun.

If you think RRA or Stag are the quality that, say, Noveske or LMT is, then you're deluding yourself. For all the internet whining, I've never seen much of the concerns about DPMS materialize... and if you want a REALLY top notch AR, then you're going to have to shell out much more than for an RRA.

I own Stag and DPMSes, and have owned RRA uppers. I like them all, but I find DPMS to be the best deal, especially for varminting.

That said, when it comes to shooting competitions, a very common thing you will see is RRA lowers with White Oak uppers.

FWIW, my last AR lower was a DPMS built with RRA parts. It's getting a DPMS upper soon.

But, for all intents and purposes, any big name AR manufacturer you want to buy from will be just fine. I sort of doubt you plan to go drag it around Iraq, or put it in anything more strenuous than a prarie dog massacre.
 
I've shot quite a few Ar's from different manufacturers. DPMS, Bushmaster, S&W, RRA, Colt.

RRA was overall the best value for the money (except for a used Colt, if you get lucky) and the best of all the M4gery's I've shot. and the one i've shot isn't mine.:(
 
Get a cheap lower and a decent upper... I got a DPMS lower for $109 and a "kit" from M&A parts for the rest. They get their stuff from LMT, very high quality uppers and whatnot. I'd recommend a 2-stage RRA trigger though.
 
I've herd people talk bad about RRA triggers. I pulled one tonight just to look at it and the trigger was excellent. Clean and crisp. I didn’t shot it but based on fit and finish and overall quality. I give RRA two thumbs up!
 
Go to the AR15.com Equipment Exchange and look up "Legal Transfers" Pete usually has everything in stock, or close to it. Get one with a two stage trigger if you want a sweet trigger. Even better, request the varment trigger, it's about a pound lighter than the standard 2 stage. I had RRA install one in my RRA lower and set the specs to the varment lower.
 
In my opinion, RRA was unprepared for: (A) Popularity and (B) The end of the AWB. I think their quality control has suffered because of this. I was able to "tale of two cities" two RRA's several months ago. They were not identical models, but similar enough to see distinct differences in build quality, fit, form and function. The newer RRA looked "thrown together", the gas key was not properly staked and the upper and lower needed to be nearly forced together. The trigger felt like crap and the finish reminded me of Century Arms. This and the buyer had to wait nearly 5-months to get it. I tried to put on a supportive face, but my disappointment in the rifle was obvious. He bought it after a great experience with an RRA Entry which was and is a beautiful rifle. Not so much anymore...If the recent rifle was an example of RRA standards, (or lack) - I'd take a giant pass on them.

As for DPMS? Do a search on "improperly cut chambers" or "out of spec receivers" or "improperly staked gas keys"...See what comes up. it seems they have well have taken a crap on QC with CMMG following close by....Do yourself a favor - buy a Colt, Noveske, LMT, Anvil Arms, Sabre Defense, Smith and Wesson, Stag and let RRA, Bushmaster, DPMS and CMMG figure out that people should come before profits...
 
I've heard it both ways. I talked to a guy that sells LMT and RRA bolt carrier groups that said RRA makes the best BCG on the market for the price. I've heard they make a good AR, but it seems like MassMark has had a first-hand experience that disputes what others have said.

If you have the cash, I'd say go with LMT or Saber Defense. A guy I know that used to train the RRA and Saber armorers (iirc) said Saber Defense makes some of the best receivers.
 
I've heard a lot of bashing of every single brand of AR manufacturer, be it Colt, Bushmaster, Olympic Arms, Rock River Arms, Stag Arms, Smith & Wesson, DPMS, etc. I've also heard high praise as well.

From what I can gather, the people who most tend to bash the less expensive AR rifles most often tend to be the people who consider anything less than a custom built platform for $3,000 to be absolute crap.
 
I'm an AR newb myself and built my lower (Tactical Innovations stripped lower plus an Armalite LPK). I bought a 16" A3 RRA HBAR upper this weekend. It is awesome. The fitting of the RRA to the TI lower is amazingly tight. I've only shot it at short range just breaking it in and haven't put it on paper benched yet, but so far very happy.
 
Did a lot of research in preparation for the AWB expiration with more of an eye on accuracy/function/lack of problems (instead of extreme abuse) and most folks (target shooting) seemed to like either the Colt or RRA.
As soon as the AWB expired, I ordered an RRA LE Tactical CAR for under $1,000 (they don’t seem to have gone up much in price). I remember they all came with a two-stage national match trigger, and I added the national match rear site and a carry handle attached to the flattop rail.

While I didn’t spend too much time on the extreme abuse area AFA my selection, I see after I bought mine the DEA picked RRA to provide their new fighting rifle in 2004, and according to the article I read 11 companies provided samples for the first test and only 4 progressed to the “Endurance/Functional Reliability” test. The way I’m reading the article it sounds like it was narrowed down to 2 (RRA and ?) before RRA was selected.

Now I ain't about to get into an argument 'bout which is "the best", but after reading all the articles I could find (where somebody actually tested the thing!) it sounds like you could do a lot worse than RRA for a lot more money!

Can't tell ya if they've had a drop in quality etc, but the gun shop I deal with has a new RRA CAR for under $900 and fit and finish (still) look great on it! If it had a flattop instead of a fixed carrying handle, I'd be tempted to make him an offer for the helluvit.

And I'd LOVE to know the names of the 9 companies that didn't make it to "the final"! :D
 
For those that don't like the DPMS models, think that they're bad and claim to have had bad experience and heard bad reports about them, I'd like to see some evidence.

I've heard many claims from people who were exaggerating or outright lying about the quality of a product because they disliked the brand even though there was nothing wrong with it. I've even seen one guy bash the post-Bushmaster era Marlin lever actions as "being of such poor quality, that one could easily find a better cut of wood on an old weatherbeaten packing crate".

A couple of years ago I'd just discovered Uberti firearms, and when I asked about them I was told that they were of very bad quality and should be avoided at all costs. I was told of how the fit and finish was very rough, how the bore looked all chewed up and poorly cut, how the timing and lockwork of the action was loose and that it would take a highly skilled gunsmith to get them operating anywhere near a decent rate. However based on their popularity that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

So if anybody has pictures to back up their complaints about DPMS, feel free to show them off.
 
I've heard it both ways. I talked to a guy that sells LMT and RRA bolt carrier groups that said RRA makes the best BCG on the market for the price.
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I work for a dealer that sells both brands too. The RRA BCGs do not undergo the mil spec QC procedures like MPI and HPT that the LMT BCGs do. There's only a slight premium in price for a BCG made by LMT. Completes LMT rifles aren't that much more expensive than RRA either. Both rifles will do fine for most users, but you do get measurable quality increases going to LMT or even Colt. I will say that RRa's two stage match trigger is great though. Buy the best you can afford.
 
i have a RRA predator. they are great guns but find a stocking dealer if you want it with in 6 months. i placed my order on jan 17 2008. i finally recieved it on june 27th. they are very backlogged at the present time.

they are great shooting guns. i have the 2stage trigger in mine and 20" stainless barrel. i recomend it if you want to wait.
 
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