I'm in the hospital because I made a near-fatal error

Just earlier today I found a Colt Woodsman .22 pistol in a leather flap holster and stuffed into a toolbox in my dads reloading room. It had been in there for years and was rusting. But, it still had a full magazine of Stingers and one in the chamber. I cleared it and brought it home for some cleaning and love before returning it to it's home.

Having been raised around firearms properly, it astounds me that anyone could have a negligent discharge with an IQ above 60.
 
Just earlier today I found a Colt Woodsman .22 pistol in a leather flap holster and stuffed into a toolbox in my dads reloading room. It had been in there for years and was rusting. But, it still had a full magazine of Stingers and one in the chamber. I cleared it and brought it home for some cleaning and love before returning it to it's home.

Having been raised around firearms properly, it astounds me that anyone could have a negligent discharge with an IQ above 60.

I've said worse about people in videos. And like I said I've now joined the ranks. And deserve the criticism. I'm part of a negative statistic on a community I identify with and care about. I got a crude wake up on my current reality this morning, I may have passed gassed and was smiling ear to ear, it means my bowels might be Begining to work again. As happy as it made me, it me hard.
 
Just earlier today I found a Colt Woodsman .22 pistol in a leather flap holster and stuffed into a toolbox in my dads reloading room. It had been in there for years and was rusting. But, it still had a full magazine of Stingers and one in the chamber. I cleared it and brought it home for some cleaning and love before returning it to it's home.

Having been raised around firearms properly, it astounds me that anyone could have a negligent discharge with an IQ above 60.
There will always be those who firmly believe that it will not happen to them, because they were raised around firearms properly. Then they find their father's loaded pistol unsecured in a holster. Or in my case, a deceased friend's semi-auto chambered, charged and off safe. No, they were not discharged by us, but could easily have been discharged by others who found them. Where do safe practices begin? Where do they end?
 
Ouch. I’m trying to not be critical but the four rules are there for a reason. You have to break two at the same time for a bad day.

RULE I: Treat ALL GUNS as if they ARE ALWAYS LOADED

RULE II: NEVER point THE MUZZLE At ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY

RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU are ready to shoot

RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHATS BEYOND IT
Rule V: Chamber check every gun, every time you touch it. This builds muscle memory, then it's automatic every time.
 
Rule V: Chamber check every gun, every time you touch it. This builds muscle memory, then it's automatic every time.

With the situation I briefly mentioned earlier, I did chamber check the gun, and it was empty. However, I still managed to fire a round into my basement concrete floor...

Rule I covers chamber checking the gun, and much more.
 
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Just earlier today I found a Colt Woodsman .22 pistol in a leather flap holster and stuffed into a toolbox in my dads reloading room. It had been in there for years and was rusting. But, it still had a full magazine of Stingers and one in the chamber. I cleared it and brought it home for some cleaning and love before returning it to it's home.

Having been raised around firearms properly, it astounds me that anyone could have a negligent discharge with an IQ above 60.

I hope your pompous attitude doesn’t come back to bite you in the ass someday. Plus, I wouldn’t trust anything taught by a person who leaves loaded pistols laying around in toolboxes for decades.
 
Just earlier today I found a Colt Woodsman .22 pistol in a leather flap holster and stuffed into a toolbox in my dads reloading room. It had been in there for years and was rusting. But, it still had a full magazine of Stingers and one in the chamber. I cleared it and brought it home for some cleaning and love before returning it to it's home.

Having been raised around firearms properly, it astounds me that anyone could have a negligent discharge with an IQ above 60.
Poke fate with a sharp stick much?
Be sure to reload that booby trap and leave it back in its original spot. Maybe put a "tickle me" sign on the trigger. :)
 
@Bearcat1982
Thanks for posting. Obviously you touched a lot of folks.....134 posts and counting. We all need to be reminded.
My best wishes for your recovery.
Just my own experience and comments: Range safety officer for more than 4 years. At home, I had opened my gun safe and was admiring my Ruger SA 44 Mag by sighting it against the garage wall and the house. Almost pulled the trigger. Opened the revolver gate and low and behold the d....m thing was fully loaded. have no idea 'who' would have done that...except I was the only one with the combination. Would have gone through the wall into my stereo equipment. Would never had had time to buy and replace before my spouse got home.
Scared me so badly that I made the decision to check any gun I handle every time I handled it. I now check when I take it out of the safe, again when I get to the range, then again when I leave the range and finally when I put it back into the safe. While I am the only one who handles it, I will not trust my memory. Who the h..l had left the 44 Mag loaded...could it have been me. I don't "remember' doing so.
 
We can never be to careful. A few years ago I made the mistake of trusting my brother when I asked if the AR15 was clear. I was going to help him replace a trigger.
We were in the kitchen on the dining table when our father set across from us with the barrel pointed at him. When I disassembled the top from the bottom I decided to look at the bolt and when I pulled it back out came a round. Never again will I trust my brother or anyone when it comes to firearms.

Thank you for posting your experience and I pray for your speedy recovery. I had parts of my intestine removed years ago and would like to give you a heads up that it will be a long recovery. Be patient and God speed.
 
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I have found guns that were in fires and then buried in the rubble that were still loaded.
I found a musket under a house.
My uncle promptly took it away from me and then blew most of his right big toe off with it.
I have found guns in tackle boxes, boxes of home movies, old couches and other furniture.
All were loaded.
Yes, guns are always loaded until proven otherwise, every time that they leave your possession.
 
Not to drift this thread but I understand your situation completely. My range gun is never loaded. It’s identical to my carry gun which is always loaded. I always remind myself to treat both of the guns as if they are always loaded. Especially when changing parts or cleaning. Can’t lose focus and assume anything with either gun.

I do exactly the same thing. The carry gun is in a holster and in a drawer if it's not on my person. The rule in our house is "Any pistol in a holster is loaded".

I always felt that the most likely time to have an AD was loading and unloading a carry pistol (because it become routine). I don't need to do that with duplicate pistols.
 
It can happen to anyone at any time. My nephew, age about 7 at the time, wanted to look at my arsenal. We (I) pulled out a Rossi .22 pump rifle, a copy of the famous Winchester 62. First thing I did, with him watching, is gently lecture him about always treating every gun as loaded until you verify it isn't. Well, it was. We both learned that day.
 
Being Critical of me is welcomed. I earned it and I fully expect it. Messed up big time. And almost checked out. It's still hard to believe it happened. I am believe it or not very safe. But this time I wasn't. I'm lucky I get a 2nd chance.

I too have had this lesson of complacency taught to me albeit the only thing I put a round in was my TV. I just woke up and decided that I would dry fire my Glock 30 a little before I got ready for work. I dropped the mag and locked the slide back. After inspection I put the mag back in and hit the slide release. I took aim at the middle of the TV screen and pressed the trigger. I got a loud boom instead of the click I was expecting. That round stayed in the TV (the old flat screen with a tube) and the only thing that was wounded was my pride. I replaced the TV to the tune of $1000.00 and the casing from that round sat on top of it as a reminder. I called my dad to hear the lecture about the safety rules.

Complacency sneaks up on all of us from time to time. I think it happens to everyone dealing with things everyday. We tend to forget that all it takes is one oops and at best there's a hole, tear, some unsightly reminder. At worst someone ends up dead. I hope you have a speedy recovery and thank you for posting your tragedy for fellow High Roaders to read and being open to the comments that may come.
 
(snip)I made the mistake of trusting my brother (snip) Never again will I trust my brother or anyone when it comes to firearms. (snip)

I think trust is the key word here. We can't trust anyone's word whether a firearm is loaded or not. We have to know it is unloaded, and that is something only we can do for ourselves. Open it, rack it, drop the magazine, whatever you have to do in order to know for yourself. Don't get me wrong, I have many people I love and trust in my life. Heck, you check a firearm, see that it's unloaded, tell me it's unloaded - the first thing I do is check it for myself.
 
Just earlier today I found a Colt Woodsman .22 pistol in a leather flap holster and stuffed into a toolbox in my dads reloading room. It had been in there for years and was rusting. But, it still had a full magazine of Stingers and one in the chamber. I cleared it and brought it home for some cleaning and love before returning it to it's home.

Having been raised around firearms properly, it astounds me that anyone could have a negligent discharge with an IQ above 60.


Advise us all to stay humble. If we carry all the time and frequent the range, we train sick, tired, cold, hot, hungry, thirsty, emotionally drained, etc.

That's good, but can get you sloppy. You think you did /did not do something, etc.

We all think it can't happen to us because we've grown up around firearms, can recite safety rules backwards and forwards, but that could make one complacent.

Some of my earliest memories are training and shooting with grandpa. Still I say, stay humble, and stay frosty. There's so much riding on this.

It could happen to you...and has happened to folks with exceedingly high IQs, I assure you.

Not busting your chops, and the internet makes it impossible to discern tone and intent in discussions. This attitude reminds me of the well known video that begins with...

"I'm the only one professional enough to handle this glock 40..." ( or something to that effect). With predictable outcomes...
 
I, too, am sorry about your accident, it just goes to show that no matter how much experience one has, a simple moment of inattention can result in something bad.

Aren't you glad you didn't have a .44?
:)
Omg I've played that one out in my head 1000 times 44, 357 Hornady or gold dots... yeah would hurt ALOT more lol yeah every scene in every movie played through my head
 
Advise us all to stay humble. If we carry all the time and frequent the range, we train sick, tired, cold, hot, hungry, thirsty, emotionally drained, etc.

That's good, but can get you sloppy. You think you did /did not do something, etc.

We all think it can't happen to us because we've grown up around firearms, can recite safety rules backwards and forwards, but that could make one complacent.

Some of my earliest memories are training and shooting with grandpa. Still I say, stay humble, and stay frosty. There's so much riding on this.

It could happen to you...and has happened to folks with exceedingly high IQs, I assure you.

Not busting your chops, and the internet makes it impossible to discern tone and intent in discussions. This attitude reminds me of the well known video that begins with...

"I'm the only one professional enough to handle this glock 40..." ( or something to that effect). With predictable outcomes...

Totally agree !
Gun safety has very little to do with I.Q. (which doesn’t measure knowledge, just speed of acquisition/assimilation, and retention).
I’ve heard the average I.Q.is somewhere between 110 and 130.
Doctors, engineers, airline pilots, and (most) U.S. Presidents have I.Q.’s well above average…and they’ve all made mistakes that have gotten people killed.
Firearm safety is not instinctive or inherent…it must be taught, learned, and practiced.
It has been said that “the price of peace is eternal vigilance”
Truly, the same can be said of safety.
 
I've said worse about people in videos. And like I said I've now joined the ranks. And deserve the criticism. I'm part of a negative statistic on a community I identify with and care about.
You've suffered enough. Don't beat yourself up too much. Publicly talking about it, rather than denying it, making excuses or covering it up helps us all.

There are a lot more people in the gun-owning, shooting and hunting community that have been responsible for negligent discharges than there are those that will actually admit they've had an ND and fewer still who've held themselves accountable for it.

I've seen, over the years (having spent a combined 44 years in the military and law enforcement), a substantial number of negligent discharges, on the range, in clearing barrels, in armories, locker rooms, vehicles, once in a kitchen, another one in a living room (he killed his TV). More to the point, I've seen NDs happen to very smart (IQs considerably over 60), very experienced (years carrying and using firearms professionally) and highly-trained personnel. Almost always, severe fatigue due to operational tempo and/or lack of sleep, occasionally, alcohol consumption but typically -- due to complacency or simply an uncharacteristic moment of inattention (the brain fart).

But the people I have an issue with are those that have an ND and then try to blame it on the gun, the holster, someone distracted them, someone else loaded the gun, or it was the dog's fault. And nowhere do NDs get covered up more than in law enforcement (usually a response to that "aw crap" moment that one has just adversely affected their career prospects). People who 'fess up, own it, learn from it, I got no problem with them and won't presume to know their IQ.

Many years ago, I had an ND in my bedroom. Shot a hole in the ceiling with one of the wife's pistols that was "supposed to be" unloaded. I own it; even though I was a small-arms instructor who always emphasized Rule 1. It's a embarrassing event, for sure, but should be a sobering lesson as well. -- I cannot imagine if I'd fired a round into my own body (I have seen two guys who shot themselves due to NDs, and I can describe in detail how devastating a 9mm Federal F9BPLE +P+ JHP in soft tissue is) So I won't rush to criticize anyone who admits to having an ND (well, unless drugs, alcohol or an egregiously stupid, unforgivable act was involved).

I'm sure there are people out there who've gone a lifetime and never been responsible for an ND. Kudos to them for being such responsible stewards of the gun owning community. But the more you're around firearms, the more you carry them, clean them, shoot them, especially if they're a tool of your job, the more likely you are to have an ND. Not saying everyone will have one, but remember big lesson from your typical Greek tragedy: hubris will lead to nemesis (meaning one's downfall).
 
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