I'm new here, don't blow your broadband, a few of my CZs
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armoredman:
We have a few “different” laws here in NZ. First one is that we have a licence system with different categories (Cat). The licence test is the same for all but security and reasons to own different categories differ. “A Cat” lets you own and shoot rifles and shotguns with a length over 30” but does not allow you to shoot those the police deem to be military style (MSSA). These “A Cat” firearms do not have to be registered, but you have to show your licence for every purchase. You also need to show this licence to purchase all ammo even a pack of .22.
“B Cat” is for any firearm you wish to shoot that is less than 30” and these have to be on an approved police list. To hold a “B” you must attend at least 12 shoots each year, must be a member of a pistol club approved by the police, and can only shoot a firearm under 30” that is police approved on one of these ranges. We are not able to shoot anywhere else. Security is far higher, is inspected by the police regularly, as are the firearms. All are registered to you and can only be carried to or from the pistol range.
“C Cat” are for collectors. These could be one of the “B Cat” guns but if they are on your “C” at the time then you cannot shoot them anywhere including a pistol range. You would have to transfer them to your “B” while you want to shoot them. “C Cat” security and reasons for owning them is by far the hardest to comply with. Most people have to bust their butt to comply. Word your application slightly wrong and you could easily find yourself restricted to very few of a limited type or make. There is nowhere and no way for us to be able to shoot any of our full autos. EVER!! Yes we can have them fully functioning and also have ammo for them but we cannot fire them EVER!! They are registered to you and are not to be carried around other than when sold.
“D Cat” is a dealer’s licence.
“E Cat” for the use of what police refer to as military type. Usually semi auto with large capacity mags but there are other conditions that would make it a MSSA. These can only be shot by the registered owner, even if the owner is standing beside the shooter he/she is not allowed to shoot it unless it is registered to them. Any one of the following would make a semi auto a MSSA. Centre fire semi with a mag holding over seven rounds, a military style pistol grip, a bayonet or bayonet lug, a muzzle break. Of note is it could have a non-military silencer instead without a problem. Registration is similar to “B” and “C” but your reason to own has to be different. It could be for military shoots or pest control etc. EG the SLR was used for deer culling from helicopters for years taking tens of thousands of deer.
So with the above in mind, I have never shot a full auto, I do shoot many of the others but usually have a select few that have special loads for different reasons. While some people have a calibre they like and then change loads to shoot different things having to re-sight each time I do it slightly different. I just have a different rifle and load and merely select the one I want.
Here is one huge difference between your country and ours. Our police are generally un-armed, they only carry under special circumstances. Another, we are not allowed to carry firearms for protection nor are we allowed to use them even when threatened. We have to justify the reason we want firearms and protection is not one.
As to a “full size collection” is there ever a full collection? I just consider that I have a couple more than your two.
We have a few “different” laws here in NZ. First one is that we have a licence system with different categories (Cat). The licence test is the same for all but security and reasons to own different categories differ. “A Cat” lets you own and shoot rifles and shotguns with a length over 30” but does not allow you to shoot those the police deem to be military style (MSSA). These “A Cat” firearms do not have to be registered, but you have to show your licence for every purchase. You also need to show this licence to purchase all ammo even a pack of .22.
“B Cat” is for any firearm you wish to shoot that is less than 30” and these have to be on an approved police list. To hold a “B” you must attend at least 12 shoots each year, must be a member of a pistol club approved by the police, and can only shoot a firearm under 30” that is police approved on one of these ranges. We are not able to shoot anywhere else. Security is far higher, is inspected by the police regularly, as are the firearms. All are registered to you and can only be carried to or from the pistol range.
“C Cat” are for collectors. These could be one of the “B Cat” guns but if they are on your “C” at the time then you cannot shoot them anywhere including a pistol range. You would have to transfer them to your “B” while you want to shoot them. “C Cat” security and reasons for owning them is by far the hardest to comply with. Most people have to bust their butt to comply. Word your application slightly wrong and you could easily find yourself restricted to very few of a limited type or make. There is nowhere and no way for us to be able to shoot any of our full autos. EVER!! Yes we can have them fully functioning and also have ammo for them but we cannot fire them EVER!! They are registered to you and are not to be carried around other than when sold.
“D Cat” is a dealer’s licence.
“E Cat” for the use of what police refer to as military type. Usually semi auto with large capacity mags but there are other conditions that would make it a MSSA. These can only be shot by the registered owner, even if the owner is standing beside the shooter he/she is not allowed to shoot it unless it is registered to them. Any one of the following would make a semi auto a MSSA. Centre fire semi with a mag holding over seven rounds, a military style pistol grip, a bayonet or bayonet lug, a muzzle break. Of note is it could have a non-military silencer instead without a problem. Registration is similar to “B” and “C” but your reason to own has to be different. It could be for military shoots or pest control etc. EG the SLR was used for deer culling from helicopters for years taking tens of thousands of deer.
So with the above in mind, I have never shot a full auto, I do shoot many of the others but usually have a select few that have special loads for different reasons. While some people have a calibre they like and then change loads to shoot different things having to re-sight each time I do it slightly different. I just have a different rifle and load and merely select the one I want.
Here is one huge difference between your country and ours. Our police are generally un-armed, they only carry under special circumstances. Another, we are not allowed to carry firearms for protection nor are we allowed to use them even when threatened. We have to justify the reason we want firearms and protection is not one.
As to a “full size collection” is there ever a full collection? I just consider that I have a couple more than your two.
whalerman
“Which is worth the most?” –“ Which is the rarist?”
That would depend on how it’s valued, as to cost it depends on what someone would pay. Several US people have placed amounts of around 6000 on several of them. Several are limited runs of low numbers a couple may be the only ones available. A couple form a pair like the two 452 Golden Anniversary models. One is the 50th Anniversary that was only sold into Australia and New Zealand. There were only ever 500 made. The other is the 70th Anniversary. Only 70 were made, all went into the US. Does it make it these more special that I’m likely to be the only person in the world that has both in a single collection? I don’t know. What about the 70th Anniversary model 550, this is expected to be the only one outside Europe. That’s not confirmed though. The Pav’s apparently quite rare, the 59’s not available in the US. Heck I really do not know.
What’s worth the most to me, that’s a bit easier, the last one I’d ever sell would be my first. A model Two Brno. Bought the day after my sixteenth birthday. We can’t own a firearm until we are sixteen and have passed a firearms test. This was the rifle I used for years while shooting professionally. It’s taken more animals than all my other rifles put together, including deer, pig, goat, and several pest species.
“Which do you enjoy owning the most?”
Most of them give me different pleasure for different reasons. At the moment my son and I are shooting a lot of IPSC together with a CZ 75. I can’t see that anything can give me more pleasure than spending time with him.
“How long have you been collecting?”
I’ve never really considered myself much of a collector. I figure people that collect things go out of their way to find those items. I never really have. I just pick up things that come my way. I’ve ended up with a few Czech’s and several other makes and models as well. I just don’t bother selling anything and buy things I like only when I can afford them. There are plenty I regret not finding the money for because they would have added heaps now.
“You should consider establishing a CZ museum, of your own.”
Why? A museum? I have a small collection of a few guns that I don’t mind sharing through the internet. They are my own, they are only for me, (and perhaps my family) and only a couple of other researchers have ever seen them. I guess in a way I’m starting to, for me.
“Which is worth the most?” –“ Which is the rarist?”
That would depend on how it’s valued, as to cost it depends on what someone would pay. Several US people have placed amounts of around 6000 on several of them. Several are limited runs of low numbers a couple may be the only ones available. A couple form a pair like the two 452 Golden Anniversary models. One is the 50th Anniversary that was only sold into Australia and New Zealand. There were only ever 500 made. The other is the 70th Anniversary. Only 70 were made, all went into the US. Does it make it these more special that I’m likely to be the only person in the world that has both in a single collection? I don’t know. What about the 70th Anniversary model 550, this is expected to be the only one outside Europe. That’s not confirmed though. The Pav’s apparently quite rare, the 59’s not available in the US. Heck I really do not know.
What’s worth the most to me, that’s a bit easier, the last one I’d ever sell would be my first. A model Two Brno. Bought the day after my sixteenth birthday. We can’t own a firearm until we are sixteen and have passed a firearms test. This was the rifle I used for years while shooting professionally. It’s taken more animals than all my other rifles put together, including deer, pig, goat, and several pest species.
“Which do you enjoy owning the most?”
Most of them give me different pleasure for different reasons. At the moment my son and I are shooting a lot of IPSC together with a CZ 75. I can’t see that anything can give me more pleasure than spending time with him.
“How long have you been collecting?”
I’ve never really considered myself much of a collector. I figure people that collect things go out of their way to find those items. I never really have. I just pick up things that come my way. I’ve ended up with a few Czech’s and several other makes and models as well. I just don’t bother selling anything and buy things I like only when I can afford them. There are plenty I regret not finding the money for because they would have added heaps now.
“You should consider establishing a CZ museum, of your own.”
Why? A museum? I have a small collection of a few guns that I don’t mind sharing through the internet. They are my own, they are only for me, (and perhaps my family) and only a couple of other researchers have ever seen them. I guess in a way I’m starting to, for me.
I noticed most of the scopes too. That being said, it reminded me of a friends collection. His is no where near that large, and not any CZ's, but he has a pretty nice collection that is large in my eyes, but I'm sure it's small in the eyes of many on here, and almost all of his scopes are Simmons and Tasco's. Some are older Japanese ones, while some are ones that are newer Chinese ones. The nicest scope he owns is a Nikon Prostaff and it's not mounted on a gun. He says that he has had a couple scopes fail in his life time, but not very many at all and that he has had great luck with the cheap scopes and optically they are good enough for the hunting he does.
I wonder if the OP has had good luck with his optics?
I personally like nicer optics, but I will say that 98% of my friends in real life and actually of all the gun owners I've met, not just my friends use Tasco's, Simmons, cheap Bushnells, or other cheap scopes, and most of them seem happy with them. I'd never heard so many complaints about cheap scopes until I got online. I'm not going to lie either, myself I've had good luck with them, but I like nicer optics as I like quality glass. Now I've not noticed huge differences in optical clarity in most of them, but there usually is a difference, and I like that, plus I like scopes that track well which many cheap scopes don't do.
SharpsDressedMan
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You need one of these, too.
CZ RV85 Flare and Gas Laucher. Not even classified as a firearm here in the US. Not regulated as a firearm.
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CZ RV85 Flare and Gas Laucher. Not even classified as a firearm here in the US. Not regulated as a firearm.
nwilliams
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WOW!
That's a fine collection of firearms you have there! There are a few guns you have that I've never even seen or heard of before!
Thanks for sharing.
That's a fine collection of firearms you have there! There are a few guns you have that I've never even seen or heard of before!
Thanks for sharing.
Lonestar49
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wow - The_Mother_Load
Thanks for sharing what must be one of the finest, best kept, collections I have ever gazed upon..
You, your son, your guns..
Perfect,
Ls
wow - The_Mother_LoadThanks for sharing what must be one of the finest, best kept, collections I have ever gazed upon..
You, your son, your guns..
Perfect,
Ls
1. That is a very impressive collection. One of the most impressive I have ever seen. Correction, it is THE most impressive I have ever seen. Well done (insert sound of hands clapping).
2. I agree with a previous observation regarding some of the scopes you have on your rifles. You have a fantastic collection that is obviously worth a tremendous amount of money and some of the scopes are pretty "low rent" for the value of the guns.
3. That 22 revolver came as a complete surprise. I am certainly no expert on CZ products but I had no idea they ever made a copy of the Colt revolver.
4. NZ is one of those places that I think of as being fairly unfriendly towards firearms ownership. I was surprised to see that these guns can be owned in that country. My ignorance.
5. Thanks for posting your collection. I enjoyed seeing the guns and learning a bit about gun collecting in NZ. I always enjoy posts by members from countries other than my own. Very informative.
6. At the risk of sounding crass, what do you do for a living to afford such an expensive hobby? And, how do I break into the field?
I love the CZs but only have a couple of fairly pedestrian models.
I built this from a 601 action I picked up.
Got this in the 1980s when the U.S had an embargo against Czech goods. Had to import it through a Canadian dealer.
Wanted the FS model in 7x57 but could never find one so i wound up with this one.
2. I agree with a previous observation regarding some of the scopes you have on your rifles. You have a fantastic collection that is obviously worth a tremendous amount of money and some of the scopes are pretty "low rent" for the value of the guns.
3. That 22 revolver came as a complete surprise. I am certainly no expert on CZ products but I had no idea they ever made a copy of the Colt revolver.
4. NZ is one of those places that I think of as being fairly unfriendly towards firearms ownership. I was surprised to see that these guns can be owned in that country. My ignorance.
5. Thanks for posting your collection. I enjoyed seeing the guns and learning a bit about gun collecting in NZ. I always enjoy posts by members from countries other than my own. Very informative.
6. At the risk of sounding crass, what do you do for a living to afford such an expensive hobby? And, how do I break into the field?
I love the CZs but only have a couple of fairly pedestrian models.
I built this from a 601 action I picked up.
Got this in the 1980s when the U.S had an embargo against Czech goods. Had to import it through a Canadian dealer.
Wanted the FS model in 7x57 but could never find one so i wound up with this one.
1KPerDay
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Fantastic. Thanks for taking the time to post those
I had no idea their models were so comprehensive and diverse. My favorite rifles are the model 21 and 22.... graceful, almost spindly, elegant design.
Thanks again
I had no idea their models were so comprehensive and diverse. My favorite rifles are the model 21 and 22.... graceful, almost spindly, elegant design.
Thanks again
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Awesome collection, do you maintain these yourself? I was thinking if I had that many firearms just the bill for cleaning supplies would be a significant expense, not to mention the time involved. I think the last one in line would be rusty by the time I made it to end.
wheelgunslinger
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I'm a fan of all the cz firearms, and even some of their atrocious motorcycles.
Thanks for sharing with us!
Thanks for sharing with us!
Just another couple...
BRNO_551 in 38 special
CZ75_Compact-9mm. Note there are no serial numbers, no proof marks, and no date stamp. In fact there are no markings other than make and model number. Is this typical of early pre-release test models? How special is this one?
BRNO_551 in 38 special
CZ75_Compact-9mm. Note there are no serial numbers, no proof marks, and no date stamp. In fact there are no markings other than make and model number. Is this typical of early pre-release test models? How special is this one?
fluffy
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just so you know,I hate you.
1KPerDay
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Wow... that 551 is cool!
ElToro
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awesome little starter set you have there...
regarding NZ laws. i dont know which is worse being allowed to own, and never shoot (full auto for ex.) or just not being allowed to own. like where i live now
regarding NZ laws. i dont know which is worse being allowed to own, and never shoot (full auto for ex.) or just not being allowed to own. like where i live now
Sock Puppet
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That is the single finest collection of CZ firearms I've ever seen.
smcd1983
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I'm impressed to say the least. My CZ is still an only child.
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