Why many women and urban males don't understand guns

[Double Naught Spy]

Ever wonder why most women and most urban males don't like or have no use for guns?

Please feel free to comment, add your own thoughts, or to correct me as you see fit.

Sorry mack, but I gave up on your theory with the first sentence. Apparently you have presupposed that in order to undrestand guns (thread title) that you have to like or have a use for guns (first sentence).

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Living in NYC, I experience this firsthand.

Yuppies are scared of guns the most. The ones that sit in Starbucks and discuss how Bush kills black babies, and how America needs an idea socialist revolution.
They always say how minorities and workers are being oppressed. But they would never dream of allowing these workers and minorities to own guns. Why? Because they are hypocrites, and know everyone would turn against them. They run for office on the premise of equal rights, but in reality are the racists themselves. They wan't nothing more than an elite liberal rulling class that tells everyone what to think.

I'm from an urban area, and I agree. I've noticed that the people most likely to support gun control in cities aren't black or brown (who are either apathetic or supportive for the most part), they aren't women in the sense that women in general just don't like guns, and they aren't poor.

They are middle to upper class white people who are afraid of guns b/c the Times told them to be. They are mostly liberal. They don't like the cops until the cops are helping them. They don't want a gun until something bad happens.

They aren't so much racist as much as classist and afraid of blacks and hispanics. As much as they like the quasi-socialist schemes designed to "help the poor" they don't seem to be very concerned with poor people's liberty and freedom. As much as they claim to like black people or hispanics, they can be very afraid of one if he or she doesn't act like them.

As for why they don't like guns, it is a cultural thing. They aren't part of the gun culture. Nuff said.

 

[mack]

Double Naught Spy:

"Sorry mack, but I gave up on your theory with the first sentence. Apparently you have presupposed that in order to undrestand guns (thread title) that you have to like or have a use for guns (first sentence)."


Hate to disagree but I didn't make that presupposition - I qualified both statements with "many" and "most."

 

[TallPine]

I have a hard time stomaching a man who would not act to defend his family

+1

Here's a new acronym for ya'll:
MINO: man in name only

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

very well stated..

I do not really agree that all women and urban males can be grouped like this, but since you qualified this by saying "if" this was true I can support your thinking. I agree with everything you said to a degree. maybe not as much with point number 3 but very much in agreement with points 6 and 7. Very well stated and very good solutions. The gun movement needs more of this...at least needs it more widely dispersed.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

Sorry mack, but I gave up on your theory with the first sentence. Apparently you have presupposed that in order to undrestand guns (thread title) that you have to like or have a use for guns (first sentence).

Maybe you should have read his second sentence before passin judgement. he does a very good job of qualifying this approach.

 

[IndianaDean]

Liberals I've been around over the years who would go on about opressing minorities were often very quick to either demonstrate through their actions or words that they did not ever want to actually socialize with those minorities.
Every time I see African-Americans or Latin, Indian folks at my range I want to remind them that they're supposed to be against guns. I have yet to meet any folks of those persuasions in Indy who are anti-gun.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

Quote:
I have a hard time stomaching a man who would not act to defend his family

+1

Here's a new acronym for ya'll:
MINO: man in name only

Here is one for you then. A criminal who had just tried to hold up a grocery store forced his way into a guy down the streets house from us about a year ago. The man was upstairs and his wife and young son where downstairs. The man proceded to jump out the upstairs window and run away as the cops who had been chasing the criminal approached his home. I always wondered how he could have lived with himself if something had happened to his family without at least trying to defend them.

 

[IndianaDean]

The man jumped out of the window to get away from the criminal?
Geesh..

 

[orangeninja]

You make a good argument, however limited it may be. There are large cities other than New York, Chicago, Las Angeles, etc. Just underrepresented in politics. Hell, there are people in Boston who still think we ride horses to work in Texas. If you want to strike at the heart of gun control, go along the east and west coast of the U.S. Not necessarily just the urban areas either. You will find the strongest support for gun control there. Texas is an exception and the exception does not make the rule, however it does invalidate a lot of the prior argument.

I believe that most Americans are not so dumb as to swallow what they are told, as per the last election results where the media was in obvious favor of Kerry. Additionally I don’t put a crap load of faith in statistics, even when qualified through a statement of research (though the latter does make it easier) as statistics get abused time and time again in both quantitative and qualitative ways when agendas are set forth, I’ve seen it first hand. You can only cram so much B.S. down someone’s throat before they throw up.

I think in urban areas the reasons for owning a gun take on a much more sinister shadow than it does in the country. Mr. Big Country buys “hisself” a 12 gauge to go hunting with, but may also use it in self defense. Mr. Urban Nonuts will buy a 12 gauge to shoot a human being with; some people just cannot come to terms with that before hand, thus a large part of gun control. In the country Mr. Country gets to decide in the heat of the moment (situational ethics), in the big city Mr. Nonuts has to decide long before an attack that he can and will shoot another human being. There is a solid difference in how guns are perceived by both. This is what I mean by guns in the country are viewed as tools and don’t necessarily take on a sinister light. For example, as I type this I have a snub .357 magnum sitting next to me, this weapon is designed for one thing and one thing only, shooting people. I had to make that choice when I bought it and I didn’t make it lightly.

Thus I assert that you will have a proportionately higher average of people in the city who own guns for defensive purposes than in the country.

 

[Berek]

Def 1: "A person, usually of high social class, who is famous because they go to a lot of parties and social events which are reported in the newspapers."

These are the ones that bother me most as they are most likely to get voted into office. They think "slumming it" consists of drinking water from the tap.

What's more, it's not just the gun community they hurt. These are the same ppl that vote budget cuts that affect the elderly and the youth.

Most don't know what it's like to go hungry so their children can eat. Most don't know what it's like to work 2 or 3 low income dead end jobs just to keep a roof over their family's heads.

You know what... I'll stop now. These uppity types get my dander up.

 

[PlayboyPenguin]

These are the ones that bother me most as they are most likely to get voted into office. They think "slumming it" consists of drinking water from the tap.

What's more, it's not just the gun community they hurt. These are the same ppl that vote budget cuts that affect the elderly and the youth.

Most don't know what it's like to go hungry so their children can eat. Most don't know what it's like to work 2 or 3 low income dead end jobs just to keep a roof over their family's heads.

You know what... I'll stop now. These uppity types get my dander up.

I feel that way about every single politician in Washington. Show me one that has had to worry where their childs next meal is coming from or how they were going to provide shelter for their family. I remember those days as a kid and they suck. I bet they would be less likely to be cutting programs for vets and the poor if they had ever been either.

 

[Chrontius]

I think in urban areas the reasons for owning a gun take on a much more sinister shadow than it does in the country. Mr. Big Country buys “hisself” a 12 gauge to go hunting with, but may also use it in self defense. Mr. Urban Nonuts will buy a 12 gauge to shoot a human being with; some people just cannot come to terms with that before hand, thus a large part of gun control. In the country Mr. Country gets to decide in the heat of the moment (situational ethics), in the big city Mr. Nonuts has to decide long before an attack that he can and will shoot another human being. There is a solid difference in how guns are perceived by both. This is what I mean by guns in the country are viewed as tools and don’t necessarily take on a sinister light. For example, as I type this I have a snub .357 magnum sitting next to me, this weapon is designed for one thing and one thing only, shooting people. I had to make that choice when I bought it and I didn’t make it lightly.

Thus I assert that you will have a proportionately higher average of people in the city who own guns for defensive purposes than in the country.

Really? I dispute your assertion. I like small semiautomatic handguns and snubnose revolvers in large (for their size) calibres because shooting them is a real blast.