Im ready for my first 1911 style weapon

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Hey all, Ive been lookin at this weapon for some time now and im going to be shopping and renting 1911's in the next up coming weeks / months.. Since its my first one I was thinking of some thing simple like a GI model or something in the $500 to $800 price range. I hear that a Series 70 design is the way to go. Id like a Colt or Springfield. I know that Ruger has a nice package in my price range, but too me Ruger isnt proven yet in the 1911 dept. Dont get me wrong I do own a gp100 and im very pleased with it. What do you all think??
 
JMB designed a great weapon.

I suggest you stick with a bone stock model as close to JMB's original design as you can.

Learn the gun and learn to appreciate how and why it was designed as it was.

Hint and tidbit: The gun is a tool of itself.
Like the spent casing will work for a recoil guide plug, and take the stocks off, since they are flat head , for starters...

Yes, the gun was "enhanced" to fit the needs of bulls-eye shooters and those participating in various "shooting games.

Still the bone stock GI model is and always will be a proven combat weapon using USGI, Colt, seven round mags with dimpled followers.

Some things just "are".

Steve
 
If you can find a Colt in your price range, that's the way to go. You can always add things to it over time. My first 1911 was a Colt Combat Elite in 2009. Man, I love that gun. S&W is another good choice for a mid range 1911.

In the cheaper range I would get the Ruger. Ruger may be new to the 1911 business, but they stand behind their products.
 
... take a look at the Remington R1.. i bought one and its been really good.... maybe not so much for snob appeal but it sure shoots well.
 
Great feedback on THR. Man I tell you, I was on the Ruger forum for a while but I know how this question would have gone. Everyone would be sending pics of their new SR1911.:) Sometimes I need a different look at things. I had another question. Why do people perfer a flat mainspring housing?
 
I've ran 500 rds through my PT1911 with one failure to lock back, and that on because of the crappy magazine. taurus should not be over looked
 
Great feedback on THR. Man I tell you, I was on the Ruger forum for a while but I know how this question would have gone. Everyone would be sending pics of their new SR1911. Sometimes I need a different look at things. I had another question. Why do people prefer a flat mainspring housing?

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Seriously though, the SR1911 should defiantly be considered. On top of that I would suggest Colt, Springfield Armory or Rock Island Armory. Don't let the Rock Island Armory prices fool you, they are very well made. Even though I have much higher end 1911s, the Rock's are still on my list, especially their new railed model. :)

As for the flat MSH, many people prefer it although some like arched. For me, the arched MSH has the front sight pointing to high when brought up to eye level. Full sized Glocks do the same thing because of where that hump placement is. A flat MSH has the sights perfectly aligned every single time weather its with my fullsize Government models or my 3" Defender models. I can close my eyes, bring my 1911s up to eye level and when I open my eyes again I'm looking right down the sights. It just doesn't get any better than that. ;)
 
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My hands on experience with 1911s is a microcosm of what many of the top 1911 smiths publicly say. I've had a series 80 Colt firing pin block plunger fail. It matters not if the firing pin safety is Series 80 Colt type, or Swartz type(like the Kimber Series II); if the firing pin block breaks, then the pistol is a short club. I've had a new to the game, at the time, SIG GSR that on paper had many features for the price, but in reality didn't run worth a crap. I have an older Kimber (way before the series II guns) that, although bought used & rough in finish, is built better than the stuff they're turning out now. I've owned & shot the current stuff too. I had a Springfield Mil Spec that I should have never traded away. While I no longer own recent production Kimbers, I do own (and have no plans to sell) a current production Springfield Operator. I just bought my first Officer's Model, and, true to what many 1911 smiths will tell you, it wont feed 230gr JHP, but likes 185gr JHP & 230gr ball just fine. It's also a series 80 gun, and the first FP safety equipped pistol I've owned since the one that broke. However, I knew what I was getting myself into this time.

Here's what renown 1911 smith Hilton Yam has to say about first 1911 choices - http://10-8performance.blogspot.com/2011/01/choosing-your-first-1911-some-thoughts.html . He continues in the comments section with more insight in response to questions asked.

In short, I agree with you staying away from FP safety equipped 1911s, or staying with Series 70 guns as everyone calls them now. I really like the SA Mil Spec & GI as no frills 1911s. The Imbel forged frames & slides on the SAs are a solid base to build off.

I still think the base model SA Loaded (PX9109LP) is the way to go though. The beaver tail grip safety isn't as classic looking as a GI style safety, but it makes the pistol far more comfortable to shoot. The Novak style tritium night sights are a huge improvement over the GI style sights. That pistol is also parkerized. You could always through a black solid trigger of your preferred length in there, and an old Commander style ring hammer to make it look more old school & classic. At prices in the low to mid $700 range the base loaded model offers a few major upgrades at a very minor premium over the Mil Spec.
 
ugaarguy, I defiantly agree about the beavertail. I like the look of GI 1911s but the beavertail is a must for me since I get bite with my high hold. Its also more comfortable to shoot like you mentioned.

The SA Loaded would be a very good start into the 1911 world. :cool:

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If one really wanted a 1911 with an 80 series FP safety, this could always be installed: http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=13121/Product/1911_AUTO_FRAME_SLOT_BLANK I use it on all of my 80 series Colts.
 
Here is what you're probably looking for.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/141/products_id/36102

I'm not that concerned about firing pin safety's. The Colt Series 80 system has been around for about 30 years and they've pretty much worked the bugs out. If you find a 1911 with all the features you want, but has a firing pin safety, I'd get it. You'll most likely never know it's there.

I'm a 1911 fan, it's the pistol I shoot the most, but it's also pretty much the only pistol where the presence or lack of a firing pin safety seems to be an issue. Practically every non-1911 pistol has a firing pin safety. You never see anybody (OK maybe there is somebody) searching for a Ruger P85 because they don't want to get one of those new fangled Rugers with the crummy firing pin safety. Are there lots of folks removing the firing pin safety's from their Glocks or Sigs because they are just "useless parts" and "my trigger really improved when I removed the firing pin safety from my G17"?
 
The trigger pull did improve after removing the FP safety in my Colts. The fact is the FP safety was not in the original design. You may think I'm saying this as a "purist" but I'm looking at it from a mechanical POV. Glocks, XDs and the like where made with the FP safety and many have a good reason for it. The 1911 has a half cock notch, thumb safety and grip safety. It already has plenty of safety to begin with and to add more small parts to fail is pretty worthless.

There are two people when it comes to the 80 series safety, those who find it unnecessary and those that don't mind if its in there or not. Very very few would ask to see a 1911 and then pass on it because it didn't have the 80 series safety in it. Same goes for the Swartz safety as well.

The only 1911s I own that originally had 80 series are my Colts. Everything else has a 70 series except my 2 Kimbers which both have disabled swartz safeties. Obviously many manufactures seem to continue making 1911s without these unneeded parts and if it was unsafe, I'm pretty sure the 80 series or swartz would be in every manufacture's 1911 out there.

I for one was quite surprised (pleasantly) that the SR1911 had no FP safety. Ruger has always been a safety sally that was afraid of getting sued left and right, hence the warnings on their firearms. Once I read about the configuration I literally went :eek: and then :D
 
My first 1911 was a Springfield Mil Spec, it was a great piece. In February I obtained a pre series II Kimber Classic Custom Royal which I really love. I can only speak for these two particular 1911's but I can honestly say they are worth a look. The new Ruger looks pretty sweet as well.
 
There are a lot of good choices out there. Just make sure you do get 1) a beavertail that won't dig into your hand or you'll be spending money to put one on if you shoot the gun very much. I have a lump of scar tissue in my hand from firing an old style commander 2) dovetailed in front sight so you can switch it out. The old staked in ones are very difficult to swap and tend to leave the gun under recoil if they're not honkered down well enough 3) if you do get the firing pin safety, look for one that operates off the grip safety, not the trigger, or you will be adding a pound or more to the trigger pull right out of the box and have real aggravations putting the thing back together when you detail strip it, which is actually true of any of the firing pin safeties ... I've also had so much trouble with one of my guns failing to fire due to the firing pin safety that the gunsmith finally gave up and advised me to just remove the thing completely, he wouldn't due to liability concerns, but that was what it took to make the gun reliable, so if you can find a gun without it, that's a plus.
 
Just from my experience, go with a Colt, Springfield or one of the Philippines made 1911s. Colt and Springfield both make very nice guns. I'd stay away from Kimber. I've had nothing but problems from most Kimbers, but who knows, maybe you'd have better luck. The ATI I just bought for a little project is very nice for the $370 it set me back. My recommendations:

For range use: Springfield Range Officer
For the nightstand: Springfield Loaded w/night sights
For carry: Colt LW Commander

If you could swing a few hundred more and find a good deal on one, Springfield's TRP is the way to go, hands down.
 
I just got of the phone with the 1911 guy at my LGS. He is was going on about the Ruger sr1911 and that Colt charges for the name. To me i just dont like a stainless finish on a 1911. And i perfer blue over parkerized. Im still gonna test fire the ruger. Its not a high polish stainless, maybe it can grow on me
 
I just got of the phone with the 1911 guy at my LGS. He is was going on about the Ruger sr1911 and that Colt charges for the name. To me i just dont like a stainless finish on a 1911. And i perfer blue over parkerized. Im still gonna test fire the ruger. Its not a high polish stainless, maybe it can grow on me
Gun shops are like car lots. Don't put much into what they tell you. My gun shop tried convincing me that Para and Taurus were making the best value in a 1911. I suppose it's no coincidence that his displays were full of both, and he happened to be carrying a Para on his hip. I'll recommend Colt and Springfield until I'm blue in the face, and it's no coincidence I own both. Try to just stick to the facts and weed out the "Colt charges for a name" and "my friend's cousin's Kimber is a jam-o-matic" wisdom that some like to spread.
 
Good luck on what ever you decide. I know there are many who want the classic blued look but eventually you'll like the stainless models as well. Blued guns have always been much more problematic when it comes to rust over the park'd and stainless models so I actually prefer them for carry use.
 
The Ruger 1911 hasn't even been out for a year. I'd let others beta test the thing. It's also a cast frame & slide. Given that Ruger is doing the casting, it's probably a very high quality cast frame & slide. Still, there are proven 1911s with very high quality forged frames in the same price range. Buy what you want; but there's a reason Yam, Stroh, and other top 1911 smiths recommend Colt & Springfield as the base guns on which to have them work.
 
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