Imperial Kamp - King

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Camp Knife part of the Jackmaster series Imperial had made in Ireland, model 615CP.

From the blister package front:

Hand edged for super sharpness.
High carbon cutlery steel blades
Old time quality, performance, and reliability.


rear:
circa 1994 Imperial Shrade Corp., Ellenville , NY 12428

Spear point, can opener, bottle opener with screwdriver, punch blade.
Black plastic handles, with the Kamp-King on the shield, shackle.

Current Price: $5.79 plus tax.
Three of these were found in a Mom & Pop Hardware store recently, and the old boy bought all three.

Many of the older members will remember this Camp Knife, many may of had one of these.
Just the same style as the Boy Scout, knife, or the Camp Knife offered by Camillus, Case and other companies.


So why share about this old inexpensive knife when there are better and newer offerings?

I am glad you asked - pull up a chair...

Old boy is in his mid 70's and bought some of these back in the day for the heck of it.
Best recall he paid $2.50 each, but he is not sure.
He was simply re-living his youth, remembering Imperial knives as a kid.
Another reason, was to use these to teach knife safety and how to sharpen and maintain to kids.

Pretty neat deal, old boy passing forward and getting to be a kid himself again at the same time.
Right down to taking a old shoe string, tying it, slipping one end through the shackle, and back through itself to make a slip knot.

Then on a belt, or belt loop, insert the shoe string, then the knife through the string for another slip knot and into the pocket so one could not lose the knife.
Just like he was shown as kid.

He took one, sharpened it real good, freehand, and then used a needle file to sharpen that can opener, and punch blade.
Using some Norton India slip stones, he got these razor sharp.

Plastic handles had some 5 minute epoxy added, just to make they stayed on.
Sprayed the whole thing with Break-Free, let sit, blew out with a air hose and wiped down the blades with some more.

This knife went into a old shaving kit bag along with a chipped Norton Crystalon stone, some pliers, screw driver, vice grips, some files matches, fire starter and other tools and odds and ends.

He then tossed this behind the seat of an old spare truck, that he puttered around in on the property.
Just back there for whatever, and he had other nicer tools and all, just this old shaving bag was there, with stuff atop it.

Tornadoes hit here this year and more than once, with residual problems like flooding.

That Kamp-King was put to work, and I do mean it was put to use!

-Cut a plastic bottle to make a funnel, then fill a Coleman Lantern, a chain saw...

-Punch blade tossed sparks to make a fire with a magnesium fire starter, punched hole so a rope handle could be fashioned...undo knots like a Marlin Spike...

-Cans were opened, bottle caps lifted, even the flat head screwdriver was used ...

-Main blade cut rope, boxes, plastic, sharpened pencils, cut cheese, spread peanut butter, and sliced Spam, apples and oranges and...

-Other tasks...

Just a tool, not an expensive one, not near the quality of some today...still the lessons learned from his youth, and the lessons others had growing up, that used this knife allowed this knife to play an important role in all that needs doing when matters are very serious.

Oh he touched it up with that small stone, with chip in it, freehand, stropped it on cardboard, or jeans, or whatever...

Items in the shaving kit come in handy too...

He, myself and others remember this knife from times go by, and we had our own stories...we added some more recently.

Now ain't that something?

*smile*
 
That looks and sounds like a very handy little knife. Thanks for another great thread, Steve. :)
 
Those look like handy little knives. Whoever got em got em at a good price.
Unfortunately, the RDU Triangle is full of liberals, and even the mom & pop hardware stores, if you can find em, don't have knives for sale, generally.
You can get a similar knife in the Vic Pioneer (its a Soldier with a keyring), one of various Demo knives, surplus or new, or Scout knives. There is also a Wenger model, similar to the Vic but with a big lanyard bail.
Made in Ireland, eh?
All good things come from Ireland. Namely, this knife, Guiness, and me : )
Yeah, all good things come from Ireland.
 
These were also made here,the one in the photo was made in the Providence RI plant which closed in 1987.

Oh and suggested retail for one in 1959 was $1.00.
 
In '59 I was 4 years old and coke bottles brought 2 pennies each when cleaned up after being found in a ditch, and turned into the mom and pop grocery store.

I would see knife displays as a wee brat, including Case, Shrade, and Imperials.

I did not fully understand money, but I understood coke bottle currency.
50 coke bottles!!

Whew! I am going to need a bigger wagon and make more trips!

I was born with a Case Peanut in my dresser drawer crib and .22 revolver.
By '59 I had another gun, some other Case knives, Shrade Old Timers, Hen&Rooster...

I had one of those Kamp-Kings when I was about 4.
Boy I thought I was something else with that knife on a pc of rawhide boot lace going through my belt /belt loop and in my little pocket.

Just like the big kids were doing...

Imperials were good knives, and folks while they had Case, Shrade, Hen&Rooster ...often had these Imperials for doing things the did with the others.

I think I paid 65 cents, or maybe 75 cents for a neat pen knife like a Mentor had.
Just a two blade one with brown handles , equal end, not bigger than 3" closed.

Coke bottle currency, getting a "whole quarter" to help clean up some property with my wagon getting sticks, and rocks and all .
A dime for helping paint the bottom part of a fence ( I actually got some paint on the fence) and other "chores".

Once I got "all that money" , I did not want to spend it.
I had a hard time as a kid and while I really wanted that knife, I was afraid to spend my money.

We at the store and I had handled the knife I wanted.
I handed it back and hung my head and went toward the front of the store.
Grandma said something to the nice man at the store.
She and a Mentor and I sat down on that park bench and I got another one of them lessons a wittle boy gets.

Mentor had this neat leather slip he made me, just like his that his knife fit into.
I am holding this slip he gave me, and I don't have a knife - yet.
"You have money put back, and you did all them chores to get money for this knife, it is up to you, just understand we want you to have that knife".

I listened to my lesson, hopped off the bench, and went in and bought my Imperial knife.
Everyone was smiling, and it pretty special showing them the neat leather slip I had for it.

Funny, how a store needs a piece of string cut when a wittle boy gets a new knife ...
Lady employee needed help, and I was able to help cut that string. *wink*
 
In 1959 I was still ten years away from being born.:neener:

(I just know the price from old catalouges from other collectors :) )
 
In 1959 I was still 27 years away from being born. That's why I'm glad that Steve shares his thoughts and experiences on THR like this. :)
 
And last to help you feel a little younger. You might not remember this one ,Geo. Schrade Cut. Co.,Bridgeport,Conn. closed in 1950.But it is still a classic inexpensive working tool ,just like the Kamp-King and SportMaster were designed for...

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Yep!
I remember!

The first one was quite popular with both ladies and gents.
Some of the ladies preferred this to the Switchblade, which again was designed for ladies originally.

It had two blades, and some ladies preferred two blades, and one blade being shorter.

The second one, was very much like a Douk-Douk, and it was "said" that is what influenced that design.

This knife was all stainless steel.
Douk-Douk is 1075 carbon steel and that blade would/will still get sharper than the stainless one.


Imperial made some very nice knives, the carbon steel was very good and the blade heat treated very well.
These really did take an edge and keep it!

So a lot of folks used these for work knives, or fishing, and other tasks as to not lose the more expensive Case, Shrade-Walden, Hen&Rooster...etc knives they had.
Especially any with sentimental value such as B-Day, and other Gift giving days.

Imperial made a imitation MOP series, and the single blade knife, like a barehead trapper, or "fruit knife" , with one long blade, was real popular with ladies too.

It was more reliable than a switch blade, it was slim and light, and easy to carry even in the fashions of the day.

In the office setting , it opened mail, cut the B-Day Cake, sliced meats and cheeses for office gatherings.

At home, name something and that knife did it.
Mentor used to shoot rabbits and squirrels with a .22 pistol off her back porch and clean them with his knife.

She popped a deer with a 20 ga single shot, and used this knife to clean this spike buck too...along with her hand axe.
She kept one smaller hand axe, really sharp, this axe was that much smaller.
She could clean with just that axe.

She liked this Imperial single blade knife with MOP for all sorts of tasks.
She had other knives, just for some reason this was one of her favorite and had quite a few she kept handy, and had spares of.

She gave me one, and after my handle starting wearing, she had my re-handle with wood.
Some fella we knew did this , and re-did hers with more imitation MOP.

Not being "girl" just easy to see.

Yellow handles were Case knives...
MOP her Imperials...

Just how she chose to do her knives.

Her Kamp-King was redone with imitation MOP handles...
 
Hi Steve!

I confess. In '59 I was ten years away from being held upside down and smacked on the bottom as well.

I also have to say I'm a HUGE fan of Imperial knives. All of mine are second-hand but were still inexpensive by todays standards. I haven't payed more than $15 of any of mine. A few were gifts from mentors of my own.

I don't have a Kamp King (yet) but I have several others. Stockmans being my favorites.

Here's my meager Imperial collection. All but three are users.

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The black handled 4434 and the white handled 4432 are set aside for my son and daughter. The mini stockman is more of a show piece that is really too small to even sharpen.

Thanks for lettin' me know that there are more Imperial fans out there ;) .

Chris
 
I was 12 years away from being born. That being said, I remember my first knife that I ever had too. Man, I wish I still had that knife. It was nothing special to anyone but me, a regular old Buck with the brass bolsters...
 
Hey Chris!

Nice Collection!
Man...now I am wanting some old Imperials to mess with and use.

TimboKhan,
Yep, you understand and appreciate all this as well!


<curmudgeon>

Folks grew up with tools such as Imperials, hardware guns like Iver Johnson, H&R and Montgomery Ward, and Sears Roebuck guns.

Just like I shared in my original post, folks knew how to use a tool properly, and the fact it was not a Case, or Colt, or Smith& Wesson or one of the nicer brands, never had them feel they could not handle a task.

They handled tasks.

As time passes, and folks get more civilized, some things are lost as they are not passed forward.
Marketing makes products and consumers have to buy these whereas in the old days, manufactures listened to consumers, and that is what was available on the market.

Many have never heard of the "newspaper knife", it worked then, it works today.

"But knives did not open one handed , or lock except for a few , or them switchblades..."

Pull up a chair...

It is winter time, and gets dark early.
The secretary stayed late to type out some reports on a manual typewriter, using carbon paper to make duplicates.

She is by herself in that office and will lock up, take the elevator down and go to a bus stop.
She is not afraid, and she is armed with skill sets, and street savvy.

She has a break top 32 cal revolver, and a Imperial single blade knife , about 4" closed , with a very sharp thin , narrow blade.

Before she gets ready to leave, she gets her knife, and her nice leather slip just like the one her metal nail file is in.

The metal nail file is placed just so in her small tasteful purse, as a professional secretary does not carry a huge one, that is not proper.
Not to mention she knows who she is, she does not need a purse full of physical things to give her a identity.

The Imperial is opened, and blade first inserted into that special thin slip.
In the blink of an eye all she had to do is hit the end of the handle, the knife protrudes though, and such where the knife blade cannot close on her fingers.

She knows how to use a knife, she knows other ways to open this knife one -handed, still she like this method.

This knife and gun are on person, her small purse has the strong handle attached that is kept in a side pocket, and she grabs a ceramic coffee cup to give the impression she is taking it home to wash real good, or bring back to the office another one - for a change.

a. She carries herself well, aware of surroundings and catches the bus, arrives to her street, and walks home safe.

b. She carries herself well, aware of surroundings, and out of the shadows evil jumps out.

i. coffee cup to chin of criminal and that revolver is held close to her body and ...

ii. coffee cup to chin of criminals, a scuffle, and now the Imperial comes into to play and the attacker is cut deep and bleeding an runs off as she had a revolver close to body pulled in one quick move.

This was 1960
There were no known gun schools, no known training facilities, no holsters made just for "girls", no tactical knives, guns, ....

But this Mentor of mine had skill sets, private lessons, and she had to employ these that evening when she was just out of HS working her first real job.

<off>
 
I had one. And I remember the can opener was awful. I figure people starved to death before they got the lid off.

The screwdriver and awl were useful.
 
Kamp King -- lot of boys in Scouts had one, that might otherwise not have had a knife.

Not my favorite, mostly because they also had no idea how to sharpen them, and I always ended up being the one to sharpen them. I think I cut myself more sharpening those than any other knife folks asked or paid me to sharpen. Getting bit that many times kind of soured me on the whole camp knife pattern, and even the large spear point blade style, and I did not own one until my first SAK many years later. Did not own a Scout Knife of this type until last summer when I became a Cub leader.

Got myself an older Imperial electrician's knife a while back for just a little money, and put an edge on it. Seemed like I was sharpening one of those old Kamp Kings again -- same blade shape, or nearly so, same thickness of blade stock (very thin), and the steel felt the same to the file and stone. But when I took it out to cut up a pile of cardboard with some other knives I have, including some pretty expensive ones, it cut right along with them. Sits in my truck as a spare/emergency blade.

Steve, I feel kind of bad telling you that in 1959 I was still over a decade away from being born. But you don't have to shake your cane at me -- I have my own right here, you can borrow it if you need. :D
 
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In 1959 I was, uh, uh
lets see, that was 49 years ago.
-14,
uh, I was 35 years away from being born.
Making you feel old yet?
 
In 1959, I was -9. :)

Rupestris's photo reminded me that I have an Imperial 432 skinning knife. It was given to me by an old gent named Warren Tuckmantel* in 1981 as a gift for my Bar Mitzvah. I haven't used it much but I keep it as a memento of him.

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And next to my Schrade LB7 Bearpaw for scale.

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* THR members who belong to the Associated Gun Clubs of Baltimore, especially the Marriotsville Muzzleloaders may remember him. He passed away back in the 80s, IIRC.
 
Dave,

Imperial Skinner is a great knife as you know, as is the Bear Paw.
Another skinning knife is the Old Timer Sharpfinger.

The more things change the more they remain the same. - anon

Folks carried Kamp-Kings in pockets and sheath knives like the Imperial Skinner, or Sharpfinger...

Today folks carry a Swiss Army Knife in the pocket and some kind of sheath knife.

Oh noooo!
We Whippersnappers are doing like the old farts did!!!


Yeah you are...
And you did not discover the Rolling Stones either, Mick is older than some your daddies.

*sticks tongue out*
 
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