Import ban on 7n6 5.45 x 39 ammo?

[Onward Allusion]

Wait a second... So, if a handgun cartridge has a steel core, it is considered Armor Piercing??? IIRC, there was a bunch of RWS 9mm floating around that had a magnetic core under a copper jacket. Can someone shed some light on this?

 

[jason41987]

well the worst thing you could do is just roll over and take it as if you have to accept what the ATF UNLAWFULLY did.. we need to fight back.. this issue is being taken to court and we need to support that case in any way possible.. if im not mistaken GOA (gun owners of america) are the ones fighting it

 

[1KPerDay]

Wait a second... So, if a handgun cartridge has a steel core, it is considered Armor Piercing??? IIRC, there was a bunch of RWS 9mm floating around that had a magnetic core under a copper jacket. Can someone shed some light on this?

You sure it was steel CORE and not steel JACKET?

 

[Onward Allusion]

Yes. Copper jacket, brass cased, but it was still sticking to a magnet.

EDIT - Did a bit of Googling and it would appear that RWS has some steel in its jacket.

 

[SilentStalker]

Yeah, these statements like, "Who cares, 5.45 sucks compared to 5.56," pisses me off. People that think this does not effect them because they do not have this caliber need to wake up. We have all known for quite some time that they can rewrite what is legal to illegal at any point in time. So, yes this effects us all. I happen to have a few AK's in 5.45 and I love shooting them. I actually have become more fond of AK's than I have any AR's over the years, not sure why but for some reason I find the AK platform more enjoyable to shoot. If we all get thism "who cares because I don't have that round," mentality then none of us will be enjoying any target shooting one day.

 

[Arizona_Mike]

I agree. Even before I got into Gun Culture 2.0 recently I was always a Gun Culture 1.0 member who felt that other's rights were my rights too and I had no patients for the "please eat me last" game.

I also don't agree with the hate directed at this alleged manufacturer. What have they done that T/C has not done many times over? The ATF's move on 7.62x39 was prompted over pre-sales publicity of the Olympic Arms OA-93 despite none of the 7 .30 cal prototypes ever being sold. It was an excuse not a reason.

Mike

 

[Davek1977]

Tyeo08 said:

Surplus 7.62x39 was banned from import a decade or so.

That is simply inaccurate. Hundreds of thousands of rounds of Yugo M67 surplus have been imported within the last ten years. "Surplus" has nothing to do with the quation other than than 7n6 just happens to be "surplus". The issue is the steel core. Yugo M67 7.62x39 used a leadcore bullet, and there's no issue in importing it.

 

[1KPerDay]

Yes. Copper jacket, brass cased, but it was still sticking to a magnet.

Lots of ammo does that. "bi-metal" jackets, lead core. WWB .38 special FMJ has magnetic jackets, for example. So does all USGI M80 (7.62) ball I've seen. So does all USGI M2 (.30-06) ball I've tried. So does Greek HXP .30-06. So does nearly all Russian commercial ammo of any caliber.

 

[tyeo098]

Tyeo08 said:



That is simply inaccurate. Hundreds of thousands of rounds of Yugo M67 surplus have been imported within the last ten years. "Surplus" has nothing to do with the quation other than than 7n6 just happens to be "surplus". The issue is the steel core. Yugo M67 7.62x39 used a leadcore bullet, and there's no issue in importing it.

My apologies, that's what I was alluding to.

Surplus of similar construction.

If the Yugoslavs made up a crap ton of 545 using lead cored and sold it all off as surplus (the same way they did the M67) it would very easily end up on the shores here.

 

[jason41987]

well 7n6 doesnt even fit the ATFs own description of armor piercing, and the intent of the legislation that bans certain armor piercing traits was never intended to be used on anything besides pistols.. what the ATF is doing is overstepping their bounds and bending a law they have no business bending, they are an out of control, rogue organization and as long as they are allowed to get away with things like the 7n6 ban, none of your ammo is safe

and for that matter, the second amendment was not written for hunting, nor was it writte for target shooting, it was written to be our defense against foreign invasion and domestic tyranny.. last i checked the opponents you may face in either scenario are heavily armor, thus not only should armor piercing be allowed, but its our right to be as best equipped to face either of those threats as we can possibly be.. any attempts to limit our ability to do that through AP bans is a complete violation of the second amendment

 

[Trent]

Just be glad they base the "armor piercing" clause on some arbitrary metallurgy which doesn't really matter in the end of things, rather than.. you know.. the ability to penetrate armor.

My 50 BMG FMJ rounds are just copper and lead, but ... wouldn't want to get hit with one, armor or no armor.



EDIT: Modern plate armor defeats AP ball anyway, so it really doesn't matter what you shoot; rather, it matters where you aim.

 

[atblis]

Hmmm

http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2...and-classification-7n6-545x39-ammunition.html

Never heard of this "commercially available" pistol. Looks more like a rifle anyways.