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In your opinion what is the best non-firearm weapon?
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The only acknowledged "authority" that should be recognized on whether the sword or spear was more effective on the battlefield should be a professional archeologist or historian. Personal experience is not authoritative.
Now, since we've gotten wayyyyyyy off track with this side discussion of spear vs sword I'm going to make the posts go away on the topic and encourage the participants to open their own thread and let this one get back on track.
Now, since we've gotten wayyyyyyy off track with this side discussion of spear vs sword I'm going to make the posts go away on the topic and encourage the participants to open their own thread and let this one get back on track.
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Stick/club, taser, knife
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Versatility, lethality and range...hmmm...
Versatility is having many uses or various functions. Why that requirement? Weapons are for offense or defense. You use them to attack somebody or defend yourself.
Range to me insinuates that you do not wish to close with your partner...so you are not looking for knives or clubs.
I am gathering that you are looking for the best self defense weapon that an untrained/self-taught person can have at hand 24/7 for defense.
If that is the case, my vote goes for a knife. Sticks and clubs are fine weapons...but I am going to look rather odd going into the store where I work with a cane (that I do not need) every day. Really...
My folders can ride in a pocket unobserved and weigh 3 ounces. They are instantly available to me.
Versatility is having many uses or various functions. Why that requirement? Weapons are for offense or defense. You use them to attack somebody or defend yourself.
Range to me insinuates that you do not wish to close with your partner...so you are not looking for knives or clubs.
I am gathering that you are looking for the best self defense weapon that an untrained/self-taught person can have at hand 24/7 for defense.
If that is the case, my vote goes for a knife. Sticks and clubs are fine weapons...but I am going to look rather odd going into the store where I work with a cane (that I do not need) every day. Really...
My folders can ride in a pocket unobserved and weigh 3 ounces. They are instantly available to me.
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Lol, game, set & match to IndianaBoy!
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In my opinion what is the best non-firearm weapon?
Either of these would do it for me.
Hyena or Baboon, either way your gonna be having a "bad day"
Either of these would do it for me.
Hyena or Baboon, either way your gonna be having a "bad day"
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Shovel...like an entrenching tool...very good weapon. I voted a small tomahawk like axe (Fiskars makes the one I have). Handy, lethal, easy for anybody to use. Same for the entrenching tool. I little heavy for a second swing but lookout when you connect.
I am assuming that "best non-firearm weapon" as implied by the OP would be ease of use for anybody of sound body, effective, convenient to have around, and easy to get under any circumstances. A machete is really great too but under many circumstances, it would be looked upon with some fear and loathing. A nice little Fiskars hatchet/axe or an entrenching tool (with some wood chips or dirt on 'em) is a pretty benign looking, every day tool...until it was deployed as a weapon and then...well...could a million Vikings have been wrong?
I am assuming that "best non-firearm weapon" as implied by the OP would be ease of use for anybody of sound body, effective, convenient to have around, and easy to get under any circumstances. A machete is really great too but under many circumstances, it would be looked upon with some fear and loathing. A nice little Fiskars hatchet/axe or an entrenching tool (with some wood chips or dirt on 'em) is a pretty benign looking, every day tool...until it was deployed as a weapon and then...well...could a million Vikings have been wrong?
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If you are talking straight CQB effectiveness I believe the tomahawk has no equal.
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American bulldog...
Yeah, maskedman504,
For where you can take a dog, good choice!
My Yogi will be gone 5 years on May 4. Johnson bred AB straight from John D. himself. 125 lbs. of pure hell if he didn't trust you. Loved kids and small animals, and I don't mean for lunch! He'd lick them to death. Don't get too near the car, though, if he was riding in back, like he did umpteen times. Hate to see those windows break.
Very smart, too. He knew what squirrels, rabbits, woodchucks, mousies were. All you had to do is tell him. He'd start pawing the ground if you told him to find a "mousie". He'd find a woodchuck hole if you asked him to.
Sorry if I got off topic.
-Kerry
Yeah, maskedman504,
For where you can take a dog, good choice!
My Yogi will be gone 5 years on May 4. Johnson bred AB straight from John D. himself. 125 lbs. of pure hell if he didn't trust you. Loved kids and small animals, and I don't mean for lunch! He'd lick them to death. Don't get too near the car, though, if he was riding in back, like he did umpteen times. Hate to see those windows break.
Very smart, too. He knew what squirrels, rabbits, woodchucks, mousies were. All you had to do is tell him. He'd start pawing the ground if you told him to find a "mousie". He'd find a woodchuck hole if you asked him to.
Sorry if I got off topic.
-Kerry
This question at least got me thinking in some interesting ways. Because a firearm is generally considered the ideal primary weapon, the "best" non-firearm weapon is still a limitation. So the question is...what limitation, exactly, are you working within?
Cane is pretty much a sure bet for a versatile, subtle, legal, easy-to-use non-firearm weapon, good offensively and defensively.
With training, a knife is truly a deadly offensive weapon and it's concealable.
For a concealable impact weapon, I am now a huge fan of the "slapjack" or sap.
You can get ridiculous, of course, and suggest crossbow or bow and arrow for range. But honestly, short of Deliverance, why/where would that really be used in combat these days?
The limitations of the situation define the need for the non-firearm weapon.
Cane is pretty much a sure bet for a versatile, subtle, legal, easy-to-use non-firearm weapon, good offensively and defensively.
With training, a knife is truly a deadly offensive weapon and it's concealable.
For a concealable impact weapon, I am now a huge fan of the "slapjack" or sap.
You can get ridiculous, of course, and suggest crossbow or bow and arrow for range. But honestly, short of Deliverance, why/where would that really be used in combat these days?
The limitations of the situation define the need for the non-firearm weapon.
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Dogs, cats, sticks, spears, etc - no match. For the ultimate in lethality - tenacity - and evil, I submit to you - the All-American Mother-in-Law. The neophytes of the order are super shrews - and hone their skills by selling door to door - Mary Kay/Avon, no matter - water boarding is an accepted sales technique. They should be covered by the Geneva Convention - they are covered in the military under the UCMJ - cruel and unusual punishment. I feel strongly about this... can you tell?
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Comic gold.
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Naginata FTW
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Hoping to stay true to the intent of this thread: Edged weapons have some disadvantages in that to really be effective as weapons you are going to need training. No "regular Joe" is going to be able to wield a sword properly. Plus a real sword, not the fantasy wall hangers, is going to cost more than a firearm. A knife as a last ditch maybe but without training you're going to loose or get hurt bad I think.
That's why I like the tomahawk or the entrenching tool. When I was a kid, I had a boat and bought a brush to clean it with. The thing was probably almost 3 feet long, made of oak or some other very hard hardwood, and had a big thick head. I swear to goodness the thing was an Iroquois war club with brush bristles sticking out of it! It has sufficient algae encrusted on it that I had "plausible deniability" in terms of it being a weapon. It would have crushed anything it struck.
You don't need much training to wield a tomahawk/hatchet or an entrenching tool and you can buy one for a song and not upset LE.
That's why I like the tomahawk or the entrenching tool. When I was a kid, I had a boat and bought a brush to clean it with. The thing was probably almost 3 feet long, made of oak or some other very hard hardwood, and had a big thick head. I swear to goodness the thing was an Iroquois war club with brush bristles sticking out of it! It has sufficient algae encrusted on it that I had "plausible deniability" in terms of it being a weapon. It would have crushed anything it struck.
You don't need much training to wield a tomahawk/hatchet or an entrenching tool and you can buy one for a song and not upset LE.
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A hardwood stick,
which includes a cane, an escrima stick, a hawthorne walking stick, a hanbo, a cudgel, a shellelagh, a police baton, and the Eastern Woodland Indian ball headed club, as well as others. (Found in every culture that has wood..., so must be something to them eh??)
You can make any one of them with a very small pocket knife. They are cheap. They are effective. They don't get stuck in the opponent; a distinct advantage over bladed weapons when facing multiple attackers.
LD
which includes a cane, an escrima stick, a hawthorne walking stick, a hanbo, a cudgel, a shellelagh, a police baton, and the Eastern Woodland Indian ball headed club, as well as others. (Found in every culture that has wood..., so must be something to them eh??)
You can make any one of them with a very small pocket knife. They are cheap. They are effective. They don't get stuck in the opponent; a distinct advantage over bladed weapons when facing multiple attackers.
LD
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Plus, while the BG is bent over laughing at your skirt, this will allow you a free whack at him.
Seriously that thing looks like an excellent weapon lvcat, except that I'd want it a little less curved at the end and a little more spear-like for thrusting - I'd actually want it 2-edged/symmetrical - but that does look close to the ultimate combo, giving you the advantages of both sword AND spear (and stick). I'd also want a shorter shaft length - one that you can bring in front of your body, to create a whipping action by pushing with one hand and pulling with the other, on either side of a pivot point - something the length approx. of a hockey stick (about 4 feet) - anyone who's played or seen a Mario Lemieaux wrist shot that propels a puck 70 mph from very minimal movement knows the amount of power/thrust that can be generated very quickly in a short movement from the push/pull combination - in this case for the slashing/sword use. The shorter length would also be preferred in close quarters such as a bedroom.
I would also want some knobs or bumps at certain points along the shaft for indexing, and to provide additional force against the hands for a thrusting action (to avoid slippage).
What I want to know is, who's gonna be the first THR member to get a pet Hyena!?!
Seriously that thing looks like an excellent weapon lvcat, except that I'd want it a little less curved at the end and a little more spear-like for thrusting - I'd actually want it 2-edged/symmetrical - but that does look close to the ultimate combo, giving you the advantages of both sword AND spear (and stick). I'd also want a shorter shaft length - one that you can bring in front of your body, to create a whipping action by pushing with one hand and pulling with the other, on either side of a pivot point - something the length approx. of a hockey stick (about 4 feet) - anyone who's played or seen a Mario Lemieaux wrist shot that propels a puck 70 mph from very minimal movement knows the amount of power/thrust that can be generated very quickly in a short movement from the push/pull combination - in this case for the slashing/sword use. The shorter length would also be preferred in close quarters such as a bedroom.
I would also want some knobs or bumps at certain points along the shaft for indexing, and to provide additional force against the hands for a thrusting action (to avoid slippage).
What I want to know is, who's gonna be the first THR member to get a pet Hyena!?!
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One weapon I havn't seen mentioned or maybe I overlooked it was the slingshot. Not as leathal as some of the others mentioned but it can give you 20 yards of space between you and an assialant and still deliver a potent wollop. Might not kill anyone but pretty discouraging to get hit with a lead pill going 200fps. My first choice would be a hard wood cane then a good knife.
Don
One weapon I havn't seen mentioned or maybe I overlooked it was the slingshot. Not as leathal as some of the others mentioned but it can give you 20 yards of space between you and an assialant and still deliver a potent wollop. Might not kill anyone but pretty discouraging to get hit with a lead pill going 200fps. My first choice would be a hard wood cane then a good knife.
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