Incident while setting up trail camera
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buck460XVR
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"Why then, would you ever suggest taking the time and effort to dig a hole and bury the animal to protect your privacy?"
To avoid hassles if some person is so against killing any misbehaving, feral or wild animal that they sic the law on you--even though you're legally and morally correct.
Example: A friend of mine mentioned having shot a coyote. I've no idea who then told whom, but he received a death-threat via telephone because of his "evil deed".
Sure was a pretty shot, though. Offhand, 125 yards on a running-away coyote--and no entry wound.
Again....if a dog of unknown origin attacks me for no reason, I will always suspect a chance of it having rabies. The minute amount of hassle given to me by some bleeding heart anti-gunner is irrelevant to me as opposed to the safety of others. Anything else is selfishness.
As for the shot on the coyote, it would have been a much better shot and a better tall tale if the bullet would have exited the mouth and left no exit wound either.
Berger.Fan222, your replies confirm much of what I have tried to say....that in the majority of cases there are other options than shooting first and diggin' a hole second. You posting of the Texas laws is great for those from Texas. Unfortunately it tells us nuttin' about the laws concerning attacks on humans(topic of this thread), nor does it apply to states other than Texas. I assume tho, without looking too far, that every state gives one the right to defend themselves and their property from damage from dogs, as well they should. But not every state give folks the right to freely kill dogs chasing deer. This is the point I was trying to make in my first post, altho it seems to have fallen on deaf ears.
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Sure, there are other options for an adult man over 6 feet tall in good health with training in self defense and a lifetime of experience with dogs and other animals. Under TX law, lethal force was justified in each case I described above, and I would not second guess another person who used it.
In addition, while I have chosen to pursue less lethal options when available, to my knowledge, no states require less lethal options to be pursued once a dog presents an imminent threat of bodily harm to a person or livestock.
Other options may be available to escape, resist, and evade imminent bodily harm from a dog attack, but the possibility of other options does not nullify the justified use of force if a reasonable man believes that an attack is imminent. With respect to dog attacks, NO STATES have foolishly legislated any DUTY TO RETREAT or employ non-lethal options to resist an imminent dog attack.
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Over the years, I've killed dozens of peoples pets, both cats and dogs. People need to stop dumping their pets in the country. The animal won't live a happy life frolicking in summer glades. Once they set foot on our ranch, they are exterminated with extreme prejudice just like any other predatory varmint. Hell, just Saturday I put down a large domestic cat that wandered by me while scouting hunts. It's not the pets fault. They are just doing what they do. They have to eat. It's not my fault. I've got to do what I've got to do to protect my business. It's the fault of the pet owner that seems to think that the country is a magical mystical place devoid of people, responsibility and consequences.
Fido isn't going to live a happy life in the countryside. Fido is going to catch a .223.
Fido isn't going to live a happy life in the countryside. Fido is going to catch a .223.
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....and no one here has said anything to the contrary. You are preaching to the choir.
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When feral they are crazy and can take down a full grown grizzly so you hush
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jyeatts said:
First off, it's not in the middle of the woods, it's in the middle of my ranch. And yes, eliminating predatory varmints off the ranch is protecting the business. If you think a domestic cat lose on the ranch won't screw things up, you've clearly never had cats.
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jyeatts said:
Let me pull the curtain back and let you glimpse the machine behind the magic a little bit. People from all over the country (and a few from outside it) pay very large amounts of money to come to our ranch, stay in our lodge, eat gourmet meals and... shoot our animals. Quail, turkey, dove, ram, antelope... but mostly deer. If you pay for a hunt on the ranch, we 100% guarantee you a shot at the class of deer you want. Want a 150? No problem. Want a 180? No problem. Want a 200? No problem. How do we do that? Well, all the hunts on our ranch are guided. We put you on your deer. All you have to do is not scare it off and make the shot. Since most of our customers only stay for a couple of days, that can be an issue, as deer tend to be wandersome. You can't spend all week waiting for the customers deer to wander by. Mainly because he won't be there a week, but also because if you get the customer his deer early you can almost always talk them into an add-on hunt of a black buck, ram or even another expensive deer. More money for the ranch, and the guide. Capitalism is great like that. So, in addition to having a system of trail cameras that would make the British jealous, we spend a huge amount of time on mules or in tripods, tree stands and blinds. Which actually has a dual benefit. In addition to learning the patterns of all the deer likely to be hunted, we also get tons of video of the deer that we use to sell hunts.
Of course, all that work goes right down the drain some times... like a couple of weeks ago when a big storm came through and blew every acorn on the ranch right out of the trees. Not a single deer came out of the woods for a while after that. Fat suckers.
So yeah, we scout hunts on our own ranch.
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Feral cats and dogs IMHO, should be considered a nuisance animal and treated as such. This means controlled and not allowed to propagate. A cat wandering around in the woods is most likely a feral or a pet allowed to roam and hunt on it's own. Either is a big threat/nuisance to wildlife and need to be eradicated. While it could be like a Disney character and just trying to get home, not very likely. A dog on the other hand wandering around in the woods can be feral, allowed to run loose and hunt on it's own, a dog accompanying a hunter, a dog lost while hunting(hounds for the most part) or just a dog lost or abandoned. Thus, they may or may not be a threat/nuisance to wildlife and one needs to be sure of which before taking lethal action. In either case of the cat or dog, they also need to know if they have the legal authority to do so or they could become violators. Otherwise, taking inappropriate action can lead to fines, loss of hunting privileges and sometimes an embarrassing posting of their names in the local paper. None of this has anything to do with the original topic tho........
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