Inequitable Penalties? The Tales of Two Gun Researchers

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Inequitable Penalties? The Tales of Two Gun Researchers

Feature Story
by Dick Dahl

Early this year, it looked as though researcher John R. Lott, Jr.'s days
as an influential voice on domestic gun policy in the U.S. were over.
Lott, widely touted by pro-gun activists since the publication of his
book, "More Guns, Less Crime," in 1998, found himself under attack for
his
inability to provide evidence to support some of his claims about the
effectiveness of guns for self-defense.

Most significantly, when asked to provide details of a survey that
supposedly proved that 98 percent of gun defenses involved the mere
brandishing of the weapon, Lott said that his computer crashed. And
despite his claim that the survey was large and national, he could produce
neither any records of it nor names of anyone who knew anything about it.
Then, to top off Lott's apparent disgrace, a resourceful Weblogger named
Julian Sanchez conducted research to show that Lott had created a fake
persona named Mary Rosh for the purpose of providing rave reviews of John
Lott's work.

Much of the media response to these developments was predictable. Only one
year earlier, Emory University historian Michael Bellesiles had resigned
from his job under fierce pressure from pro-gun advocates over his own
inability to substantiate a claim in his book, "Arming America," published
in 2000. In it, Bellesiles wrote that levels of gun ownership in early
America were not as high as is generally believed. It was an argument that
calls into question the gun lobby's assertion that firearms have always
been an intrinsic part of American culture, but when he said that he could
not produce notes to prove a section about the paucity of guns in early
probate records because he'd lost the notes in an office flood, the
National Rifle Association went on the attack. The effort was successful
and Bellesiles resigned.

So when Lott's various credibility problems emerged earlier this year, the
press called him the pro-gunners' Bellesiles. Understandable though the
comparison may be, however, the media portrayal of the two men as equals
within the two opposing ideological camps is misleading. Where Bellesiles'
contribution to the overall gun-control argument was primarily interesting
on a historical level, Lott's work is critically important to the pro-gun
side. The pro-gun argument for minimal or no restrictions on gun ownership
essentially rests on two claims: (1) The Constitution ensures individual
rights to guns, as opposed to the militia-ensuring "collective rights"
interpretation of the U.S. Supreme Court, and (2) Society is safer when
people can arm themselves without restriction for self-defense purposes.
No one is cited more often as an authority for the self-defense argument
than John Lott.

While the cases of John Lott and Michael Bellesiles appear to be similar,
their subsequent stories have played out quite differently, however. Where
Bellesiles was forced to resign, to relinquish the prestigious Bancroft
Prize that his book had won for him, and to move to Europe for a time,
Lott has continued to push his pro-gun agenda as a researcher at the
conservative American Enterprise Institute as though nothing has happened.
And judging by the frequency with which journalists use him as an "expert"
on gun policy and on the fact that mainstream newspapers are running his
opinion pieces, he's getting away with it.

Meanwhile, according to people who continue to monitor his work, Lott is
still playing fast and loose with the truth. On July 13, the Los Angeles
Times ran an opinion article by Lott, who claimed to have evidence that
arming teachers is a good idea. Lott has consistently argued that
concealed-carry gun laws deter crime, and in the Times piece he focused
his argument on schools. Acknowledging that the notion of armed teachers
may alarm many people, Lott said that, on the contrary, gun-toting
teachers are a very good idea. "My research ... shows that citizens with
guns helped stop about a third of the post-1997 public school shootings,
stepping in before uniformed police could arrive," he wrote.

The claim that about one third of shootings in public schools had been
averted by armed citizens over a five-year period does indeed sound
impressive. But according to people who have looked into the statistic,
there's just one small problem: It seems to be bogus.

Chris McGrath, executive director of the nonprofit organization
Handgun-Free America, calls the statistic "an outright lie." He said that
his organization contacted Lott for evidence of that claim and Lott
referred them to pages in "More Guns, Less Crime," and in his new book,
"The Bias Against Guns." McGrath said neither reference supports the
claim. One of them, he said, describes an incident last year at the
Appalachian School of Law in which he claimed a shooter was stopped by two
armed students. "What he doesn't say," McGrath said, "is that both
students were off-duty police officers and they were using their service
guns." (Another Lott critic, Weblogger Elton Beard, theorizes that's why
Lott uses the term, "uniformed police," in his LA Times sentence.) In
addition, a number of newspaper accounts about the incident report that
the shooter had finished firing and laid his gun down before the off-duty
police officers arrived.

McGrath said that he and people in his office have gone through Lott's new
book and found other unsubstantiated claims. For instance, the book
states, "And contrary to popular misconception, [concealed carry] permit
holders are virtually never involved in the commission of any crime, let
alone murder."

"It's simply false," McGrath said. "Of course permit holders commit
crimes, including murder."

McGrath said that Lott appeared to provide an answer for this amazing
claim because he footnoted it. Turning to the notes, McGrath found the
following explanation: "Unfortunately, no data are available on whether
handguns lawfully bought by permit holders are used in crimes by another
party at a later date."

In other words, said McGrath, there is little or no connection between the
footnoted sentence and the footnote.

Bellesiles: Seeking Vindication

It may have seemed like Michael Bellesiles disappeared from the face of
the earth in early 2002 after he resigned from Emory. In fact, he spent
much of the last year teaching in the United Kingdom. These days, he is
resuming his effort to recapitulate the notes, which he says were
destroyed in an office flood, upon which he made the challenged claim that
early-American probate records reveal a paucity of gun ownership. He told
Join Together Online that he's gotten through about a quarter of the
records so far, and that his findings are once again showing what he'd
claimed in the book.

He's also preparing for the re-publication of the book, set for this fall
by Soft Skull Press of New York City, with a lengthy new introduction and
the three-paragraph section on the probate records re-written. In
addition, he recently completed a long essay, to be distributed in
pamphlet form following Sept. 15, which will attempt to examine the
brouhaha he experienced in a broader way. According to publisher Richard
Nash, "This will be the place where he puts his experience in the context
of other academic witch hunts, in addition to going through the book page
by page, saying what he changed, what he didn't, and why." And with tongue
only slightly in cheek, Nash adds, "And it will kick start the opprobrium
that is certainly going to be visited upon us in some organized fashion."

Bellesiles says that in addition to reworking the probate data, he's
examined every accusation of error leveled against the book. He says the
accusations number about 60. The majority, he said, were baseless and some
were accurate criticisms that he says he's correcting. In addition, some
of the accusations led to a gray area of interpretation, "which is what
historians always deal in."

While criticism of Bellesiles' writing about the probate claim without
physical evidence to prove it is apparently valid, writer Jon Wiener wrote
in the Nov. 4, 2002 issue of The Nation that the NRA-led attack against
him claimed something more serious, that "Bellesiles has faked evidence to
support an otherwise untenable position. The charge, in other words, is
fraud."

While Bellesiles is assembling the evidence once again, there has been no
word that John Lott is doing anything to validate the "survey" showing
that mere brandishing of a gun deters crime 98 percent of the time. And if
Bellesiles acted fraudulently, many may assume that John Lott's "Mary
Rosh" creation could be considered an even more egregious act of fraud.

Furthermore, Bellesiles' assertion of low gun-ownership rates in pre-Civil
War America is not really a ground-breaking discovery to those who have
studied the issue. "The important thing about Bellesiles' work is that
it's almost irrelevant," said Ernest McGill, who heads the Potowmack
Institute, a small enterprise that studies the Second Amendment and
firearms history in the U.S. "They condemn him for fudging his data or
whatever, but there's plenty of evidence that there weren't that many guns
around in those days."

McGill claims that the Second Amendment's purpose was to ensure the
existence of state militias. He also says that the militia system never
worked well, in large part because "there just weren't that many weapons
around." (McGill says that the militia system was finally scrapped by
President Monroe and Secretary of War John C. Calhoun after the War of
1812.)

Even though Bellesiles apparently is standing on relatively safe ground
with his essential message that gun ownership wasn't always such an
intrinsic part of American life, the pro-gunners' withering attack over
the lost notes may have dissuaded Bellesiles' potential defenders,
including Emory, from defending him. "My biggest regret in all of this,
and I don't pretend to understand it, is that ordinarily, if a scholar has
lost material or notes, the scholar is allowed to go back into the
archive. But my university, Emory, chose not to support that effort on my
part, but rather to investigate me."

How has the incident affected him? "It destroyed my life," Bellesiles
said. "I had dedicated myself to teaching, not writing, and it's been
devastating to me not being able to teach. It shattered my family. It was
devastating in every way, shape, and form. I can barely give it words."

Bellesiles said that he is very aware of how his case parallels that of
John Lott. "I think of it all the time," he said. "He's still being
cited.
And I, of course, have ceased to exist."

John Lott's name, meanwhile, has been summoned in statehouses across the
land this year as still more legislatures have passed the concealed-carry
laws that Lott says are good for society -- despite the mounting evidence
that they are nothing of the sort. As Stanford Law School professor John
J. Donohue and Yale Law School professor Ian Ayres have shown in an
exhaustive analysis of concealed-carry laws, for instance, there is now
more evidence to suggest that these laws increase crime than to reduce it.

Donohue and Ayres, of course, have faced their own version of orchestrated
attack from the pro-gunners, including the following passage that appeared
on the Internet last September, when their work first appeared: "The Ayres
and Donohue piece is a joke."

The author? Mary Rosh.


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
The "states militia" nonsense has been trashed so many times it's not worth rehashing.

Not that I think the RKBA depends on the number of robberies stopped by CCW holders, but wasn't there a similar study before Lott's by a guy named Kleck?
 
hmmmm...

Lott: A couple of out of context quotes that could be interpreted as being unequivocal false statements if one chooses to do so, and one small survey that was not thoroughly documented.

Bellesiles: Widespread misquotes from source material, citations to sources that do not exist, and a mysterious notepad destroying flood in his office that no one on maintenance staff remembers.

Yeah, they're exactly the same. :rolleyes:
 
Chris McGrath, executive director of the nonprofit organization Handgun-Free America, calls the statistic "an outright lie."

As if anyone with more than 75 I.Q. points would believe anything put out by a leftist extremist anti-Second Amendment bigotry organization!
 
Lott may not have documented his claims about permit holders committing crimes very well, but anyone can check the Texas and Florida DPS statistics and find that he's clearly right about those two states, at least.

And I love the part where he chides the NRA for making accusations of fraud against Bellesiles.
Bellesiles claimed that the support for his assertions was found in a set of records that DO NOT EXIST. He didn't accidentally cite the wrong source, and he wasn't "vague" about his documentation. He lied through his teeth. Fraud indeed.


All that said, I wish Lott hadn't done such stupid things.
 
"The important thing about Bellesiles' work is that
it's almost irrelevant," said Ernest McGill, who heads the Potowmack
Institute, a small enterprise that studies the Second Amendment and
firearms history in the U.S. "They condemn him for fudging his data or
whatever, but there's plenty of evidence that there weren't that many guns
around in those days."

McGill claims that the Second Amendment's purpose was to ensure the
existence of state militias. He also says that the militia system never
worked well, in large part because "there just weren't that many weapons
around." (McGill says that the militia system was finally scrapped by
President Monroe and Secretary of War John C. Calhoun after the War of
1812.)
Now there's a real authority for you GEErnst. This guy is so whacked out on the gun issue he can't see straight.

He claims that the term "bear" is a purely military term so a citizen can't "bear" arms because they aren't in the military.

He changed his site name to "Potowmack Institute" because it was confused with the real Potomac Institute.

Read his Amicus (animus) brief on the Emerson case and you will need know no more about this clown. http://www.potomac-inc.org/emerarg.html . The text starts about a fourth of the page down.

He has a posting board at his webpage but he will pull your posts if you deign to use his real name.

Brett Bellmore has publicly discredited him on numerous occasions and has shown that his "Institute" is nothing more than a server in an apartment with a post office address.

Also, read his rantings at http://www.potomac-inc.org/ . He proudly posts them down the left side of the page.

If this is the type of "expert" they use they are really desperate.
 
I thought that Lott had redone the phone survey that showed 98% of all encounters where a would-be victim uses a gun to defend themselves without firing a shot, and now had documentation in hand?
 
Bellesiles wants to rehabilitate his image is kinda like Madonna trying to reinvent herself again. Will anybody care if either succeed? Bellesiles is so discredited that I doubt if Emory will want to associate itself with him. Fallen academians rarely make a comeback.

One thing about the Civil War, a lot of soldiers didn't know how to use guns and there's something Bellesiles didn't mention. They were immigrants from Ireland, Germany, Italy, etc. and even as far away as China. Otis Howard's 11th Corps that got routed at Chancellorsville by that lemon sucking general, Stonewall Jackson, was predominantly composed of German immigrants. (However, the Union army units from the Midwest were generally on par with their Southern counterparts in terms of marksmanship.) Immigrant units and some units recruited from large cities had little firearms experience. Units recruited from rural areas (farmers) tended to have exposure as it was both practical (varmint control) and hunting (increase the larder).

Methinks Bellesiles makes a point about firearms accidents in the Civil War and while it is true that in reading a regimental history, many units (if not all) had negligent (and sometimes fatal) discharges. However, the 4 rules was not espoused by sages then as they are today and even the sharpshooter units had accidents (and these were guys who shot all the time).
 
I thought that Lott had redone the phone survey that showed 98% of all encounters where a would-be victim uses a gun to defend themselves without firing a shot, and now had documentation in hand?
No. He did another study, which got different results, so he lied about what his results were. Detail are here
 
Lott's computer crash was indepently confirmed, IIRC. Still, there's no question about the phony Mary. He didn't commit the kind of fraud that Beliar did, but he DID do some sloppy stuff, he DID commit - what would you call it? promotional fraud? with the phony Mary thing, and I don't think we need to rally around a liar, even it the majority of his work has held up under scrutiny.

Not to mention that others have done essentially the same research and come to the same conclusions.


But Beliar's fraud is of an entirely different character. He did NOT resign because of "pressure from the gun lobby", but because his own university investigated him and found that his entire book was fraud from one end to the other.


One thing that's often missed in this discussion, though, it that even IF his data had existed, his entire premise for interpreting that data is ABSURD.
 
Unfortunately for both...falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus

Neither Liarott nor Smellybile is worth a hoot and reasonable and responsible gun onwers should reject both. To fail to do so reeks of left wing hypocrisy.

WildnewresearchneededAlaska
 
Agreed, Wild!


Well, except that for Beliar, the only part that applies is falsus in omnibus.


And it was a pretty big bus, too! :D
 
Wild, you are wrong in one respect. Lott's data are not falsified. Some of Bellesailles's data are. Whether you agree with the reasoning of each person in arriving at their conclusions is up to you. Lott clearly has some bias. So does Belles. Lott reached his conclusions without falsifying data, but it's unlikely Belles could have done so.

The people may not be worthy of respect, but Lott's book is at least not fiction as Belles's is.
 
Just so I can write to the publication that author works for, what is JTO?

It's ironic that in writing an article detailing Lott's miscues of fact checking, promotion, and survey methodology, the author neglects to do some basic fact checking of his own, namely this bit:

(1) The Constitution ensures individual rights to guns, as opposed to the militia-ensuring "collective rights" interpretation of the U.S. Supreme Court

The numbers, for the record: of the 34 cases cited in Kopel's "Supreme Court Gun Cases," 28 support the 2A as an individual right. I'd call that overwhelming evidence that SCOTUS calls it and individual right. Oh, and the last two were writeen by noted gun rights advocates Stevens and Ginsburg.
 
Ironically, Lott could have and SHOULD have made the case for armed teachers based on the experience of Israel, where a random drawing determines which school teachers will carry the pistols on any given day.

You RARELY hear about schools being attacked by terrorists in Israel, now do you???

Schoolyard shooters are really terrorists--they pick on hundreds of unarmed innocents to make a larger population feel unsafe.

What's the difference in terrorism if it's Israel or the USA?
 
What I've read of Lott's statements are not glaringly at odds with what I see in government statsics or my own personal observances.
 
"Brett Bellmore has publicly discredited him on numerous occasions and has shown that his "Institute" is nothing more than a server in an apartment with a post office address."

Technically, Jim, all I did was repost something somebody else had found, and pointed out in earlier posts McGill had deleted. Knowing how to cut and paste doesn't make you a private eye. :)
 
Holy misrepresentation of the facts batman. Lott's stuff has been subjected to frequent peer review for decades now. His assertions that guns prevent crime was seen as patently insane at the time, which is why it was subjected to so much scrutiny. And it has survived that scrutiny.

To slam Lott for one potentially missing survey and for not being able to draw a conclusion about what happens to concealed carry guns after they are sold to third parties is kind of extreme. One or two potential mistakes amongst years of published and scrutinized work is not bad.
 
"Where Bellesiles' contribution to the overall gun-control argument was primarily interesting on a historical level, Lott's work is critically important to the pro-gun side. "

False. Lott's work is only to show that gun control is ineffective at its stated purpose. That has nothing to do with rights. Even if gun control =crime reduction, that does not allow a Constitutionally enumerated right to be infringed.

Lott's work is interesting and useful to dispell the hysteria of antis. It is not, however, critical as a basis for maintaining a basic human right.
 
Lott is just one among many. Mostly, he's active in current writings, which brings public attention.

Kleck's work preceded Lott's; both were preceded by Wright, Rossi & Daly. The latters' "Under The Gun" (U of Fla Press; Amazon.com) is as seminal as is needed...

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