Just received my new issue of American Rifleman and read their article on the new Inland Mfg M1 Carbine. It seems they ran into the same problem I had with failure to cycle and they resolved the issue with using different magazines. I've just ordered a couple of Korean made 15 round mags and I'll report back after I get to try these out. It was a good article and I'm excited to see if this works. I really like the looks and feel of this carbine and I hope to get good results with these Korean magazines.
Inland Mfg M1 Carbine Article
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When you begin running the new magazines, let me know how they work. In 2017, I plan on buying either a James River Armory "Rock-Ola" model (receiver and bolt milled from billet steel) or an Inland Manufacturing Carbine.
I want a relatively long lasting arm that I can depend upon to get the job done. (It should be obvious to everyone on the Forum that "we" have discussed this before).
I want to know how well yours is running before I go "out on a limb".
I want a relatively long lasting arm that I can depend upon to get the job done. (It should be obvious to everyone on the Forum that "we" have discussed this before).
I want to know how well yours is running before I go "out on a limb".
Jackal
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Wont USGI mags work?
DaisyCutter
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I recently won the CMP lottery with a 5-digit S/N Inland from 1942, service grade. I had to cough up $25/ea for original USGI mags from a different source. The markings indicate Inland also.
I haven't fired her yet, but she seems to cycle exceptionally smooth.
I haven't fired her yet, but she seems to cycle exceptionally smooth.
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Carl N. Brown
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^ @Daisycutter You're lucky. The Inland division of General Motors was one of the WWII makers of US GI carbines. An Inland made carbine through CMP will be an original US GI carbine. That Inland factory is no more.
The current factory acting under the name Inland is a new outfit and appear to be having teething problems.
The current factory acting under the name Inland is a new outfit and appear to be having teething problems.
amd6547
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Daisycutter....Keep an eye on the CMP e-store. They sometimes offer GI mags.
A year or so after I got my CMP inland, CMP had 10packs of GI mags very cheap.
A year or so after I got my CMP inland, CMP had 10packs of GI mags very cheap.
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If they don't, it indicates serious dimensional problems with the weapon. Which as I recall was the basic complain with the A-O carbines, and Inland are mostly the same parts.
maxxhavoc
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Well, the reciever, trigger group, and bolt on the Inland is made by Auto-Ordnance, as well as the stocks and other parts on the gun. Considering the AO often has the same problem with factory mags, I would guess that AO makes those too.
maxxhavoc
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Is that a CMP stock or a USGI rearsenal stock? My Saginaw came in with what looked like new, dry USGI wood. That is the first time I NEEDED to oil a milsurp stock.
As far as I know the new Inland is sourcing everything within the United States. Perhaps the magazines are from A/O, perhaps not.
They aren't USGI, but how many truly serviceable USGI magazines are left? Most of the Carbine magazines that provide good service are of Korean or Thailand manufacture. (They are still using the M1 Carbine in Police service).
While the Inland has a better Magnesium Phosphate ("Parkerized") finish, it seems that the receiver and bolt are being sourced from Auto Ordnance. Don't quote me on that, but it seems to be the consensus. Their finish is well done and is better than those coming from Auto Ordnance. This appears to be the reason for the price differential.
They aren't USGI, but how many truly serviceable USGI magazines are left? Most of the Carbine magazines that provide good service are of Korean or Thailand manufacture. (They are still using the M1 Carbine in Police service).
While the Inland has a better Magnesium Phosphate ("Parkerized") finish, it seems that the receiver and bolt are being sourced from Auto Ordnance. Don't quote me on that, but it seems to be the consensus. Their finish is well done and is better than those coming from Auto Ordnance. This appears to be the reason for the price differential.
kBob
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Although I am too lazy to check, I believe CMP has an article on their carbine area about GI Magazines.
There were a host of manufacturers of magazines during WWII.
30 rounders are problematical as most are not GI, even if they have convincing markings AND many Carbines do not have the M2 magcatch with the extra "lug" on the side.
I keep hoping I will run across more as I clean the shop. I had a bunch of GI 15 rounders many of which I simply gave away over the years. Back in the 1960's shortly after getting my first M-1 Carbine at 14 I visited a huge Surplus yard with my Dad looking for something else and came across a footlocker full of cosmoline and paper wrapped 15 round GI mags and bought as many as I could carry for near nothing. Over the years I failed to consider that I had a finite source and their value was increasing and mainly just gave any extras in my shooting bag away when someone had magazine problems.
I continue to hope that "Nice guys finish last" means I will out live the non nice guys......but I am not likely to give any more away unless it is to some young shooter..... and face to face (saw that one coming!)
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There were a host of manufacturers of magazines during WWII.
30 rounders are problematical as most are not GI, even if they have convincing markings AND many Carbines do not have the M2 magcatch with the extra "lug" on the side.
I keep hoping I will run across more as I clean the shop. I had a bunch of GI 15 rounders many of which I simply gave away over the years. Back in the 1960's shortly after getting my first M-1 Carbine at 14 I visited a huge Surplus yard with my Dad looking for something else and came across a footlocker full of cosmoline and paper wrapped 15 round GI mags and bought as many as I could carry for near nothing. Over the years I failed to consider that I had a finite source and their value was increasing and mainly just gave any extras in my shooting bag away when someone had magazine problems.
I continue to hope that "Nice guys finish last" means I will out live the non nice guys......but I am not likely to give any more away unless it is to some young shooter..... and face to face (saw that one coming!)
-kBob
I have given up hope on the "new" Inland.
I'm deeply saddened to discover how poor the quality control is on their new rifles. Some are good, others are not so good. I have decided to wait until February so that I can afford a James River Armory "Rock-Ola" M1 Carbine.
I don't want to be buying new magazines only to discover that the Carbine is feeding poorly, or having parts fail when I need the rifle to perform in the event of an emergency. *sigh*. The up side to this decision is that it will be new, and will probably outlive the "mixmaster" (surplus) Carbines left over from Vietnam.
It will be worth the wait and I believe that James River Armory will stand by their products.
The wait begins.
I'm deeply saddened to discover how poor the quality control is on their new rifles. Some are good, others are not so good. I have decided to wait until February so that I can afford a James River Armory "Rock-Ola" M1 Carbine.
I don't want to be buying new magazines only to discover that the Carbine is feeding poorly, or having parts fail when I need the rifle to perform in the event of an emergency. *sigh*. The up side to this decision is that it will be new, and will probably outlive the "mixmaster" (surplus) Carbines left over from Vietnam.
It will be worth the wait and I believe that James River Armory will stand by their products.
The wait begins.
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DaisyCutter
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I think it's CMP new. It's got an "I cut" and "high wood", but it seems totally new.
ThomasT
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CaptainO what have you learned about the inland rifles that has turned you off of them? I started a thread over on the firing line about them and got the impression most folks liked them. Some did not. I understand about start up problems but you would think a 70+ year old design would have the bugs worked out of it.
Thanks for the James River Armory heads up. I haven't heard of these people. They might be a better option than the inland rifle.
I also responded to your PM on the firing line twice but it never showed it went through on my sent folder.
Thanks for the James River Armory heads up. I haven't heard of these people. They might be a better option than the inland rifle.
I also responded to your PM on the firing line twice but it never showed it went through on my sent folder.
Ratshooter:
The Inland M1 Carbine has a good barrel and is a new product. After performing a great deal of research on the internet, I have read that the primary difference between the Auto Ordnance M1 Carbine and the Inland M1 Carbine is:
a) The "parkerized" finish in the Inland Carbine is better than the Auto Ordnance and
b) the stocks are more consistent and are stained with the original formula used on the WW2 Inland Carbine stocks.
Other than that, the stock-to-receiver fit is a bit tighter on the Inland Manufacturing Carbines. The Inlands have the 100-200-300 yard slide adjustable peep sight; the Auto Ordnance rifles feature the original "flip" peep sight. After that, the Inland and Auto Ordnance Carbines are, for the most part, identical. They are less expensive than the James River Armory Carbines because they have cast receivers and bolts.
The receivers and bolts from James River Armory, are milled from hardened billet steel and have a better fit and finish than those from Auto Ordnance and Inland Manufacturing.
Does the better "parkerizing" and stock stain justify the $150.00 to $200.00 price increase? That decision is entirely up to the individual's taste and budget.
CoalTrain49
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There are plenty of USGI mags popping up on the CMP forum for sale by members.
I just sold 15 of those a few months ago that came from Germany. Price was about $20 a piece. All used in great condition.
I have at least a dozen Inland mags, all purchased on the CMP forum.
Some for sale right now.
http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=188641
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Using Korean made magazines makes this Inland Mfg carbine run like a sewing machine. Smooth as butter! They also hold the bolt open after the last round. Check it out.
https://youtu.be/9LWKGsow-3M
https://youtu.be/9LWKGsow-3M
DougW
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My AO Carbine runs flawlessly with USGI 15 round mags, since day one. Found a supply years ago for the 15 round surplus mags, so I am good on those. I traded a friend for 2 Korean 30 round mags, and they are not reliable in my rifle. This was an early M1, and I did change out the rear sight for an adjustable.
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