Insane/Mentally Ill people at the range.

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Waffen

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I was disappointed this weekend to find some odd/disturbing behavior while teaching my "future niece" the basics of rifle shooting. Some of this behavior can be attributed to mental illness, some is just plain stupid. I figured I would post and see what other members had witnessed. If you live in or around Austin, try to guess what range this is.

To start off, my niece is from Florida, and her parents are somewhat anti-gun. We had planned this trip for 3 months now and she was quite excited, as was I.

To start the day off I gave a brief general gun safety lecture and then proceeded to show her gun specific gun safety. Fortunately for my niece’s confidence we were the only ones at the range for a good while. The trouble started off about 1-2 hours after we had been there. The owner of the ranges/local crazy person hitched a ride up to the 100 yard range with a shooter that had just arrived. That in and of it self was just fine, no problems there. The new shooter setup all his equipment while talking to the range owner.

Since the shooter that just arrived was shooting .22 cal rimfires and I was giving instruction in between shots I was putting on / taking off earmuffs off as was my 13 year old niece during live fire conditions. What we proceeded to hear was some of the craziest conversation we had ever heard. While this new shooter started shooting the range owner kept talking about how "Chinese people were really space aliens from Mars' second moon that had landed 8000 years ago he had evidence that could prove it, and that is why they were technology leaders." also how "Blacks were inferior because they came from Jupiter on a makeshift space craft 2000 years go" and how all this was a known fact. :what: Keep in mind; these are not direct quotes because what they really said would get me banned on this form.

The conversation took a quick turn to the apocalypse and how we will all be killed on Sept. 29th 2005. All the while my 13 year old niece was hearing all of this.

During the conversation of the apocalypse a older man appeared from our 7 o'clock dressed in full battle gear, full survival pack ,full camo face paint, armed with what I counted to be 4 guns. 3 pistols and 1 AR-type rifle. It must have been at least 80lbs of gear on this guy. He then comes up to the range and all 3 of them sit down and talk.

I picked up little of this conversation because at this point I was just trying to keep my niece shooting and her ears off their discussion. I did manage to pick up something about how this "commando" had been out there for 2 days "living off the land" and practicing "battle tactics". From what I picked up this appeared to be his first contact with humans in 3 days.

They then proceeded to talk about the end of the world and more space ship landing crap and something about people being assimilated into the decks of US Navy ships in the bramudia triangle.

Somewhere during their conversation I made it clear that we were calling a cease fire and would be going down range. At this, the range owner soon jumped to his feet and came staggering to me and made some unintelligible comment about women shooting and how they don't belong here. I kind of laughed out of nervousness and just to "play along" and jokingly answered saying in a few more trips to the range she would outshoot him. He seemed somewhat angry, muffled something under his breath and stumbled back to the lunch bench that he and his group were sitting at.

With that, we grabbed our targets about 15 minutes later and left. My niece said she had one of the best times of her life, but she was obviously "put down" by what the man had said and was scared by these absolute psycho’s that were there. I assured her that this was not the norm and will be taking her to my "members only" range to clarify what the real gun community is really like.

Just had to share this, it was absolutely the craziest thing I have ever seen at a gun range. I considered calling the police to see if they could take this guy to an instutition, but then I realised I would be cheating 1/2 of Austin out of a range. Anyone else have an experience like this? Or been to this range and seen the same thing?
 
Crazy idiot.............the Chinese are actually from the yet to be named planet just on the other side of Pluto. Geez I hate crazy folk. :scrutiny:





:neener:
 
I haven't experienced that, but as a competitive smallbore shooter, I can tell you that you are right when you said that she'll be out shooting the guys soon enough. As much as it hurts to admit it, I don't care if I get beat by a girl anymore.

You know of that planet just past Pluto too, cslinger? Really...it exists, although black people don't come from it. :neener:
 
I've never had the displeasure of coming across wastes of carbon quite like this, but i think we all have had run in's with people we would prefer to ultimately just stick in the stupid box for the rest of their natural lives.

It's one thing for shooters at the range to be xenophobic racists (to each his own, even if that is to be an assho|e) but the fact that the range master was sitting with them eating it up really pushes it over the edge for me because it shows that the range endorses (at least by proxy and by affiliation) the sorts of people and the things they say.

Also, the fact that he made a sexist and idiotic statement to your neice confirms his place within the hallowed halls of bastard-dom - he only did that because he knew he could get away with it...picking on a child, like a big man.

Find a new range and let other shooters know the kind of pricks who run that range.
 
The scary thing is that he was not indulging the conversation, he WAS the conversation instagator. He was into it more than anybody else.
 
Not exactly the same situation, but there's an indoor range near me that rents guns, including full auto if you can pony up the $$$.

Unfortunately it's in an...interesting...area and all these gang bangers come in to show off their lack of shooting skills.

"Yo man, I gots me a Glock 40. Check it."

All you need is a drivers license. :rolleyes:
 
I'd sure be well worried at sharing range space with ''people'' like that!!! :eek: :uhoh: Sheesh - were they having a day off their med's or what! :rolleyes:

Sadly, it only takes a very few of those oddballs to rapidly polute and denigrate all the work we normal folks try and put in - trying all the while to make the shooting fraternity appear sane and sensible. These nutjobs will I am sure do a very good job of souring things for many of us.

It'd be more than a little interesting (can you dig and research at all?) - to find out just what those loonies were about and from whence they came etc. I'd hate to think they had free and easy access to the range at all times! :eek:
 
The conversation took a quick turn to the apocalypse and how we will all be killed on Sept. 29th 2005.
Damn. That's the Thursday before payday which means I'll have to put in most of the workweek and then not get paid. :cuss:
 
It is "Hill Country Rifle Range". I have had past expirences with the man, but he just made short comments such as "Do you boys know about REVELATIONS". I had gone back and he seemed to be much better reacently. Maby he was off his meds.

I have only seen him actually shoot 2 times. I remember seeing him shoot a L1A1 that he was "working on". Scary now that I think about it.
 
That sounds like the typical nonsense that comes from that range that I have heard before. You are not the only one to experience this. :rolleyes: :banghead:

Jason :cool:
 
I considered calling the police to see if they could take this guy to an instutition, but then I realised I would be cheating 1/2 of Austin out of a range.
I'd have made the call. NOBODY needs a range bad enough to have that kind of freak running it, and the gun community sure as heck does not need that kind of nutjob fronting for us. :uhoh: :mad:
 
Not exactly the same situation, but there's an indoor range near me that rents guns, including full auto if you can pony up the $$$.

Unfortunately it's in an...interesting...area and all these gang bangers come in to show off their lack of shooting skills.

"Yo man, I gots me a Glock 40. Check it."

All you need is a drivers license.

Don't they have a posted sign that says, "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone"?

They should have it, and use it. And prior to any renting, I think that it would behoove them to have at least five minutes' discourse with any prospective renter. If they fail to do this kind of common sense feeling-out of a renter, they invite and deserve the ????storm that they would suffer if someone really screwed the pooch with a full-auto (or any other) rental gun. Are you saying they rent this stuff with no questions asked?! :what: That's just ridiculous!

As far as the gang-bangers coming in to rent, were I the owner or manager, I would size them up, determine whether they were rent-worthy, and watch them closely (as I would anyone on the range) and kick them the hell out if they seemed a danger. Most gun-shop and range operators that I have encountered carry quite obviously on their hip, usually something pretty fierce in the >.40 cal genre, and can back up their imperative, "Get out of my store" with no problem.

-Jeffrey
 
I don't suppose there's any chance these guys were simply setting you up and had a good belly-laugh after you left? I've been on the receiving end of some pretty strange stuff from some old-timers over the years... Weird things that pass for humor out there.
 
Oh just remembered one more gem I had heard. I don't know if there is any truth to this because I haven't studied the effects of molly bullets on a barrel, but I did overhear him swear that "it takes 20 rounds of copper jacketed bullets after firing molly bullets to get an uncoated bullet to stabilize". I have loaded quite a few molly bullets for my 06 and have never noticed anything like this.

I would be wary of taking reloading advice from this man too!
 
I don't suppose there's any chance these guys were simply setting you up and had a good belly-laugh after you left? I've been on the receiving end of some pretty strange stuff from some old-timers over the years... Weird things that pass for humor out there.

No, this is far to real to be a joke. Literally all it takes is one look at this guy to know he isn't joking about this kind of stuff.

That, and I would consider myself very conservative in my gun teachings and handlings. There would have been no reason to play a practical joke on me. :)
 
The conversation took a quick turn to the apocalypse and how we will all be killed on Sept. 29th 2005.
Damn. That's the Thursday before payday which means I'll have to put in most of the workweek and then not get paid. :cuss:

How do you think I feel? The world's going to end the day before my birthday dangit! :what:
 
Sept. 29? Good, I won't have to worry about going back to school. I don't figure 2-3 days of college is worth schlepping all my gear 300 miles.
 
but he just made short comments such as "Do you boys know about REVELATIONS"
Looks like that boy isn't well versed in the Bible, but I shouldn't expect that from an apocalypse freak such as he. It IS "Revelation" after all.
 
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