Quantcast

Installing Musket Nipple in TC Rifle.

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Frulk, Jul 31, 2020.

  1. Frulk

    Frulk Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2018
    Messages:
    275
    When possible I like to have musket nipples installed on my BP rifles. I prefer the extra umph to ensure reliable ignition.

    Recently I picked up 2-3 TC Hawken style rifles but wasn't able to find the nipples in local stores in a 250 mile circumference from my house. I know I could have internetted them but wasn't yet that desperate. Walked into a gun shop in Salmon Idaho while out that way fly fishing and camping off the back of a Road King and ran across them.

    Nhs5tG7.jpg

    CCI Musket Cap and nipple on left. #11 cap and nipple on right. Respective cappers in background for scale.

    HMehdON.jpg

    From the business end: Musket Nipple on left. #11 Nipple on right.

    kpKiOUP.jpg

    Installed Musket nipple:

    8LPcx6G.jpg

    Seats and lines up nicely on this .45 cal TC:

    13JOvYy.jpg

    For in shop work a good selection of decommissioned dental instruments comes in very handy for cleaning out nipples and nipple drum/flash channel.

    vZ9FHDw.jpg
     
    Armored farmer and arcticap like this.
  2. WestKentucky

    WestKentucky Member

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2014
    Messages:
    9,316
    Location:
    Middle Tn
    I also prefer musket nipples. I don’t know how much less effective they are than a #209 but when shooting my inline and my dads inline side by side we could not tell without looking if it was a 209 or musket cap installed. The petals on the musket caps are nice too in that you can pinch one in easily and hold a bit better tension on it so that your cap is still in place when the big buck walks out and your #11 is nowhere to be found.
     
    Frulk and arcticap like this.
  3. arcticap

    arcticap Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2005
    Messages:
    7,475
    Location:
    Central Connecticut
    My brief use of musket caps was limited to only one pistol that was made in India.
    I didn't have any problem with the musket caps falling off, but it didn't seem to have as much tension to stay in place as most #11's do.
    The #11's often need to be pried off using a sharp edge or a cap remover.
    Frulk, what's your experience with the holding power of the musket caps with the TC nipples?
    Do they always stay put for you without needing to squeeze or adjust them in any way?
    Have you found that the brand of cap matters at all regarding fit or function?
     
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2020
  4. Frulk

    Frulk Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2018
    Messages:
    275
    I've only ever used one brand of Caps and that's CCI. Probably because I've never been close to a dedicated Muzzle Loader shop and use the CCI's because that's all SW carries

    XMZ6dDj.jpg

    I have over the years used different musket nipples. I just went out to the shop and took some pics. Here are 3 different types of musket Nipples I was able to find easily by rummaging around.

    L to R: Traditions, a no name brand and Thompson. Easy to see the slight difference in each nipples taper.

    X2lsCHO.jpg

    This pic is of all three caps being placed where I first felt resistance to the cap. Note how high up the Traditions Cap sits.

    H7BLyQu.jpg

    This pic doesn't show it to well but that last 1/16 inch or less push on the Thompson and no name brand firmly seats the cap on each of them. Kinda has the same feel as seating a primer and you know its where it needs to be. No way that will fall of in hammer at half cock in a hunting situation. But, notice how high up the cap sits on the Traditions musket nipple. That seating depth took a little bit more force than I'm comfortable with just to get it to that point. Will it fall off. Highly doubt it, but there's some space between the cap and the nipple. I think I put that same style nipple on a CVA Kentucky in 50 cal. I'll go later and look at that and see if its the same gap on the gun. If so, I might dremel the sides down evenly to ensure the cap sits on the nipple top so that it acts like the anvil it is without the space issue as noted in the pic.

    Audwzjp.jpg
     
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2020
    arcticap likes this.
  5. Fyrstyk

    Fyrstyk Member

    Joined:
    May 31, 2019
    Messages:
    297
    Location:
    Central CT
    Instead of using a Dremel tool, just chuck the nipple in a drill chuck and use fine emory cloth to take down the diameter of the nipple enough for the cap to fully seat. Easier to do, and the nipple will stay concentric.
     
    Frulk likes this.
  6. dave951

    dave951 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2018
    Messages:
    187
    Since I shoot competition, I've found the CCI Reenactor caps to be lacking. Best musket caps for accuracy and consistency are RWS and Schutzen.
     
    Fyrstyk likes this.
  7. Armored farmer

    Armored farmer Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2010
    Messages:
    7,805
    Location:
    South Eastern Illinois
    I've always heard of musket caps, never been around any. Thanks for the tutorials.
    I use plain old #11 and a ted cash capper.
    I like the look of those musket caps though.
     
    entropy and Frulk like this.
  8. arcticap

    arcticap Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2005
    Messages:
    7,475
    Location:
    Central Connecticut
    At least there isn't a shortage of musket caps.
     
    Frulk likes this.
  9. dave951

    dave951 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2018
    Messages:
    187
    Well to be perfectly honest here, the North South Skirmish Association hasn't exactly been active nor have Civil War reenactors. Come to the N-SSA Nationals and you'll see a buuunnch of musket caps being popped on Civil War arms in competition.
     
  10. Old Stumpy

    Old Stumpy Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2019
    Messages:
    1,370
    After many shots through a TC Hawken .50 and a TC Renegade .54 I have always found that CCI #11 caps were and are highly reliable. In fact I can't recall any cap lock rifle or revolver that I have owned where ignition was ever a problem with #11 CCI, Remington, or RWS caps.
    On my rifles I like to install an aftermarket nipple that is cross-drilled with vent holes. I don't really know if they are more reliable on a rifle, but it was always claimed that they were.
    As far as musket cap conversion nipples used to replace a #11 cap nipple, these are available through "Track of the Wolf".
    As had been said you need RWS or Schutzen musket caps since the CCI Reenactor caps are deliberately underpowered to prevent cap fragments from striking others close by.
    They are less reliable than #11 caps, so they say.
     
    Frulk and entropy like this.
  11. entropy

    entropy Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2004
    Messages:
    10,108
    Location:
    G_d's Country, WI
    I would think that in Salmon, you could find anything gun related you'd want or need, from BP parts to machine guns. Kent Lomont's legacy is strong there.
    Ditto on not using CCI caps. I bought some at a garage sale cheap, and picked up a musket nipple and tried them out. They'd set off a charge about 1/2 the time. After going through 10 caps to set off 6 shots, I unscrewed the musket nipple and put the Hot Shot back on. 100% Ignition after that.
     
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice