Inter-Ordnance Owners Face 100 years of Prison

[c_yeager]

Where are you seeing saw cut? All their parts kits specify TORCH CUT and to my knowledge they are torch cut.

This occured quite awhile ago and it has been well established that the did in fact import and sell a number of SAW CUT parts kits. You can go and ask of at the FAL Files as many of their members purchased such kits and posted photos to verify them as being saw cut.

However saw-cut or not its still absurd that they are being charged with selling machine guns for what SHOULD have been a simple customs violation. Unless of course there is more to the story and they actually WERE shipping out some actual machineguns to "special customers" in the guise of parts kits. SUch things have happened before when a seemingly legitimate busines uses that cover to conduct illegal activity. I guess we are going to have to wait and see.

 

[Blackcloud6]

On these kinds of cases, I always say" "What did they do to get law enforcement interested in them?"

If you are going to deal in MG parts, you better run a squeaky clean business, because any hint of wrong doing is going to bring The Man sniffing around.

They need to make sure that their cuts were correct and they could have done so by asking the BATFE up front.

As to mpney laundering and possible tax evasion. Just plain stupid.

 

[spartacus2002]

I can tell you "stacking charges" doesn't intimidate a defense team. Any work created for the defense by additional charges is also created for the prosecution, because now the government has to meet it's burden of proof on each and every count. It makes trials (and the preparation) last much longer.

I've been both a prosecutor and defense attorney, and in some cases, in some jurisdictions, depending on the facts, "charge stacking" happens. Somewhere along the way in most cases, many of the charges get stopped, because either defense points out why they are unsupported, or to help a plea agreement happen.

I think it's irresponsible of the prosecution, but it does happen.

 

[fletcher]

Just seems amazing that after selling "thousands of machine guns across the country", they're apparently not being used in a criminal manner...

 

[0007]

batf changed their "rules" AFTER they had approved the import of the kits cut according to their previous rules. And many of the kits had been sold. You know, the old "it's my ball, my game, I own the referee, and I'll change the rules whenever I want"... Kind of like let's arrest Korish at his "compound" rather then in town. From other places I've read about this it appears that the batf is carrying the water for the irs on this one.

 

[JohnBT]

"If it was illegal to make small deposits so they don't hit the reporting threshold, isn't it just as illegal to drive below the posted speed limit so one can avoid speeding citations?"

Uh, no. It's not the same thing. It's not even close to being the same thing. In fact, the comparison is so illogical that I don't know what to say.

John

 

[Wildalaska]

Defense attorneys love "charge stacking"...helps with discovery...

Most AUSAs avoid it for that reason...


WildthereisexperienceandthereisrhetoricAlaska

 

[Gifted]

Perhaps ruling on the demil thing will do some good. Make the laws there more definite, allowing others to avoid this mess.

As far as the laundering, it seems that the big deal would be if they didn't report all of the money. If you break up your payments, but report all of the money for taxes, what's the deal? So, did they?

 

[rock jock]

The MG charges sound ridiculous. The laundering charges, OTOH.........well, if true, hang 'em high.

 

[JohnBT]

Gifted - Breaking up deposits to stay under the $10k cash reporting limit is against the law and has been for years. So is moving money overseas, or anywhere for that matter, to avoid paying taxes.

We will see what happens when it goes to trial.

John