Interesting (Beretta Carbine)

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I own a beretta carbine in 9mm. Really bought it for fun and the fact I always wanted a pistol carbine. Its light and fun to shoot. I know on these forums its been discussed that some don't see the reason for these as if you have a rifle, you might as well have one that shoots rifle cartridges. I can agree to that for the most part.
However, after seeing this video, I can see my carbine being useful at farther ranges than I thought. Not as far as they shoot, but farther than say a hundred yards. I am not saying that a 9mm is anywhere near even a 223 but with the right ammo its effective further than most people would think. These guys shoot a 9mm carbine at 440 yards and the ammo expands! I am shocked they could even hit the target that far let alone have the ammo expand any degree.
I guess if you go against someone with an intermediate rifle such as an AK or an AR your not as at a disadvantage as badly as one would think. Is a PCC still ideal for long ranges? I would say up to maybe 200 yards its not too shabby! Still better choices though!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM6BOjsFx4M
 
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I plan to buy a CX4 in 9mm. I think pistol caliber carbines are great fun, and with the long barrel, a powerful HD option.

I already bought a Wilson/Beretta 92 Brig Tac as a companion pistol. Enjoy!

Just s note, you might want to be more descriptive with your thread titles, otherwise folks will pass on by without looking.
 
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I have a Hi Point 9mm carbine in an ATI stock = cheap copy of a Beretta CX4.

They are not nearly as powerful as a similar size/weight AR, but are a good choice for cheap shooting and introducing new recoil/noise sensitive shooters to centerfire rifles. And it's better than any pistol past 20 yards easy.
 
Just a note, you might want to be more descriptive with your thread titles, otherwise folks will pass on by without looking
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Fixed it!:)

I understand the value in having a pistol caliber carbine now that I own one. Before I thought they were cool, but kinda fell in with the if you get a rifle, might as well make it one that shoots a rifle caliber crowd. But still wanted one. Now that I own one, its pretty amazing. Sure it has its downsides, but for me the positives, outweigh the negatives. Cheap to shoot, low recoil and noise(in 9mm anyways) makes for a good package. Now that I have seen that video, I might try to shoot mine at a hundred and fifty yards to see what it is capable of.:)
 
Do they saw or show how far above the target they had to hold their point of aim or how many attempts it took to dial that in? Seems like there would be some pretty significant bullet drop.
 
For the way most rifles are used, there's nothing wrong with a pistol caliber rifle.
For range plinking, carbine training, home defense and small game, they do just fine.
It worked for the folks in the old west, with revolver six gun and lever action rifle in the same calibers.
 
I'm a firm believer in having a long gun in the same caliber as your pistols. I have that setup in 22LR(a couple times over!), 357 Magnum, 44-40, and 45 ACP.

I haven't gotten down to having a pistol in my rifle calibers, though. I just can't see me handling a pistol in .308 or 45-70.

As for the 357Magnum, 44-40, and 45ACP, there is some great loading data to get the most out of these pistol calibers for use in carbines. It's easy to get muzzle velocities in the upper thousand-teens. They may not fly as well as rifle bullets do, but I wouldn't hesitate to take a 150 yard shot at a prospective dinner.

A couple have mentioned the Beretta CX4 Storm. Mine is in 45ACP, fitted with a red dot scope, and I can obtain 4" groups easily at 100 yards with it with the carbine loads.

Don't poo-poo the pistol caliber carbines 'till you try one or two. Recoil is a non-issue as well.

Woody
 
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For the way most rifles are used, there's nothing wrong with a pistol caliber rifle.
For range plinking, carbine training, home defense and small game, they do just fine.
It worked for the folks in the old west, with revolver six gun and lever action rifle in the same calibers.
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The bow/arrow worked for many thousands of years.
 
As much as i like the .45ACP, I won't be bothered to own a carbine chambered for it.

However:

I've seen the gains made by a few cartridges such as the 9mm and .40S&W to know that carbines in these calibers DO have performance gains beyond a handgun in the same chambering

I personally don't and probably won't own any due to other circumstances, but I won't poo-poo someone else for owning one.
 
As much as I like the idea of the 9mm carbine I can't force myself to consider another. I had a hi point 995 and didn't like it. Put the ATI stock on it and it was better but still not for me. Maybe a more powerful round in an auto, (10mm maybe) and certainly in magnum revolver cartridges (not just levers either). With carbines in 357 or 44 mag I have seen steel plates rung at 300 regularly enough to expect it to not be a problem at 400 or even 500 yards, and weight with speed retention is certainly enough to do some damage.
 
For over two years, I have been looking for a reasonably priced Marlin 1894 lever-action in .38/.357 to go with my SP101 and GP100.
Finding 20-40 year old guns going for prices higher than NEW MSRP doesn't strike me as "reasonable"!! :mad:
 
During WW2, most subguns were considered to be effective (against a man-sized target) in single shots up to 200 meters.
All you need is an adjustable rear sight or proper amount of calculated holdover with fixed sight.
 
I had a Sterling Mk.6 9mm. carbine a number of years ago. It was always a blast (forgive the pun), to take it to the range though I never did try it on any long distance (100 yards or more), targets. With those high capacity mags (I use to load them with 33, 33, and 34 rounds each with 100 round count WWB), you sure went through a lot of ammo in a hurry! Great fun!
 
A pistol caliber carbine is great gun for beginning shooters. Women love pistol caliber carbines. My wife has a party here for here friends at work. They come out and shoot our Hi Point carbines. Most of these people do not own a gun. They just stop at Walmart on the way out for a box of 9mm ammo. For introducing people to shooting the pistol caliber carbine is great.

When I bought the second Hi Point I intended to buy a Beretta. The Beretta CX4 carbine has a polymer trigger group. I mean all the parts are polymer. There is nothing you can do to improve the trigger but replace it or wax the existing parts. You cannot polish of shape polymer parts.

People who do not shoot guns are intimated by the 223/5.56. The 223/5.56 is loud with a large muzzle blast. Young kids who have never been exposed to the sound of gunfire are terrified by the 223/5.56, even with hearing protection. The last time we had a party my wife decided to show off her new Colt LE6920. After the first magazine about half the people left. I tried to tell her the Colt was a bad idea.

Another issue was the last party was much larger than usual. Many of the guests brought small children. Trying to keep ear protection on a 5 year old who has never been around a gun is like herding cats. At least I had the materials to rope off the shooting area.
 
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Some PCCs have their place, but I don't personally find those chambered in ordinary service pistol rounds particularly appealing. I do still have my Marlin Camp 45 and have no intention of parting with it, but I sold my CX4 9mm and my Camp 9. The CX4 was just obnoxious to shoot, and I had an opportunity to profit on the Camp 9, which I wasn't particularly attached to.

Carbines chambered in magnum type rounds, however, are a whole 'nother ball game. 10mm, .357 mag, .44 mag, .45 Colt and similar see some substantial gains in a longer barrel. I have an 1894 in .44 mag, and that thing is a thumper with a medium to heavy pill over a stout charge of slower powder, nearly doubling the energy it produces as compared to a 6" pistol, making it a very viable short range big game rifle.
 
The Beretta Storm 9mm carbine is great. Kids absolutely love it; we go through countless rounds each summer shooting at tennis balls and swinging targets. With 147 gr bullets the report is surprisingly mild. MUCH quieter than a 9mm pistol. I can't say that about the .223 round.

And yes, the swinging targets at 100 yards are an easy prey for the 9mm Beretta. Beyond that range the sights make it harder, but I'm sure the gun itself is capable.
 
If Beretta would make one in 22 tcm it would for sure be worth a second glance. Hmmm....no money in the budget for it but a 223 barrel blank and a reamer would not be too expensive. Could easily be done.
 
I think a pistol caliber carbine has some advantages.

For one, carbine bullets have different trajectories, that's not to say that they can't hit targets out to 200 yard but they do have a different trajectory than a 5.56 so generally, a miss with a carbine is going to hit the ground between 100 and 200 yards where a similarly aimed 5.56 is going to be deadly out to 700 yards.
 
I loved everything about the CX4...except the atrocious trigger and the cheek slap.

Those two things were so bad that it motivated me to sell it and invest in a HK-94/MP5 pattern PCC instead.
 
If we can get the stupid AWB repealed here in CT, a CX4 in 9mm is the first gun I'm buying. I've wanted one for years, and didn't get it before the ban.
 
I've had my CX4 a year now, and my AR for five. Guess which one goes to the range?:p

I shoot small steel plates at 100 yards with ease. Everyone says the CX4 is 'cheating', just too easy to hit your target. It's my HD gun next to my pistol and I've chronographed the defensive rounds at 1300fps. Light as it is, it's like firing a long barreled pistol. If I had to be on the phone with 911 while holding it, much less an issue than with the heavier, clunkier AR with all those protruding grips and mags.
 
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