Interesting microstamping article this morning.

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Interesting microstamping article this morning.


California AB1471 passed in 2007 requires that the California safe handgun list after Jan 1, 2010 will require that all new semi-auto handguns sold in California will mark fired cases with a microscopic serial number unique to each handgun. But this will only to into effect if the microstamping technology is available “to more than one gun manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions.”

It's possible that this will happen when pigs can fly.

There is legal work in progress and hope in Californian's hearts that the safe handgun list will eventually be declared unconstitutional based on the Heller decision. The District of Columbia will benefit from this also as they now have piggybacked their law for approved guns on the California safe handgun list.




http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stor...ncodes235322-casing-code-issues-snag-handgun/


Casing-code issues snag handgun law


By James P. Sweeney

U-T SACRAMENTO BUREAU
2:00 a.m. August 10, 2009

OVERVIEW

Background: In 2007, the Legislature passed a bill that requires new models of semiautomatic handguns to leave an identifying code on shell casings. The law is scheduled to take effect Jan. 1.

What's changing: Unresolved legal issues and concerns about the technology have raised questions about whether the law will go into effect as planned.

The future: Efforts by other states and the federal government to adopt similar rules may lag if implementation of the California law becomes problematic.

SACRAMENTO – Two years after California passed a novel law requiring the next generation of semiautomatic handguns to leave a microscopic identifying code on shell casings, the controversial technology appears no closer to being introduced here or anywhere else.

California Attorney General Jerry Brown has not certified the law, which is required before it can take effect as scheduled on Jan. 1, and his aides could not say when that may happen.

Other states expected to follow California's lead instead have pulled back, waiting in some cases to see what happens here. Similar federal legislation has failed to find any political traction.

Gun manufacturers continue to question the readiness and potential cost of the technology, known as microstamping or ballistic tagging. Regardless, they say, other safety standards unique to California are stopping most companies from introducing handgun models here.

“I have no reason to believe there is any major manufacturer that is going to incur the millions and millions of dollars in costs to implement microstamping for new models introduced in California,” said Larry Keane, senior vice president of the National Shooting Sports Foundation, an industry trade association.

“They will simply sell the models that are on the (approved) list now. New models going forward will be barred from the California market, which is already happening,” he said.

The inventor of the microstamping technology and those who pushed the California law say any impediments to implementing the first-in-the-nation statute will be resolved soon.

“This is going to be implemented in January, and there won't be any bumps in the road,” said Assemblyman Mike Feuer, a Los Angeles Democrat who carried the legislation for the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

“I remain confident,” Feuer continued, “that it is in fact going to become not only the law in other states, but the law of the land.”

Feuer's bill, AB 1471 of 2007, requires all new models of semiautomatic handguns sold in California after Jan. 1 to be equipped with a microscopic array of characters that identify the gun's make, model and serial number.

The tiny characters must be etched in at least two places – the tip of the firing pin and one other location – within the firearm and positioned so that they transfer onto each cartridge as it is fired.

Gun-control advocates say the technology could have a profound impact on fighting crime. Most homicides in California are committed with handguns and most handguns sold in the state are semiautomatics.

But the limited application of the law, even if everything goes smoothly, does not figure to be felt for years.

The statute covers only new models of semiautomatic handguns approved for sale after its effective date. That excludes 1,326 different types of handguns legal for sale in California. Revolvers, which do not discharge shell casings, also are not covered.

The microstamping process was invented 15 years ago by Todd Lizotte, a New Hampshire engineer who patented the process under the trademark NanoMark Technologies. Because the technology was available nowhere else, the Legislature required the attorney general to certify that it was available “to more than one (gun) manufacturer unencumbered by any patent restrictions.”

That hasn't happened yet.

“We're continuing to review the legislation, but the certification requirements have not yet been met,” Christine Gasparac, the attorney general's press secretary, said last week.

The relevant patents are not yet in the public domain, Gasparac explained.

“Nothing can move forward until the patent issue has been resolved,” she said.

Lizotte, the inventor, said from the outset that he was willing to provide a royalty-free license for gun manufacturers. Such a license would have allowed him to retain the patent rights for other applications.

But that did not satisfy the firearms industry nor apparently the state's attorneys.

In an interview last week, Lizotte said he recently decided to abandon at least four of the patents involved.

“We worked with the (state's) attorneys,” he said. “They told us exactly what we needed to do to meet the guidelines and we've done that.”

The patents may have been abandoned, said Gasparac, the attorney general's press secretary, “but our office is not aware of that.”

Feuer, the assemblyman who carried the bill, requested and was granted a meeting with the attorney general last month. Afterward, he said he believes the certification process will be done soon.

That came as a surprise to representatives of the firearms industry, who said they have not been invited to any stakeholder sessions, as they normally are when the state develops regulations for major new gun laws.

In the two years since California embraced microstamping, seven other states have considered similar legislation. A proposed national law also was introduced in Congress. But only the District of Columbia has passed a microstamping law.

But even if the attorney general certifies the measure, gun makers say it's uncertain when the internal coding may be added to firearms, if ever.

Many firearms companies are struggling to comply with California's 2006 mandate that all new handgun models include a loaded chamber indicator and a mechanism that prevents firing when a magazine is removed.

In the more than three years since, just one new semiautomatic model has been approved by the state. Two others are pending, Gasparac said.

Sturm, Ruger & Co. Inc. is the only gun maker to date that has overcome that hurdle. The company's general counsel said he has “grave concerns” about whether microstamping is feasible.

“The problem I have with this is it can't be done,” said Kevin Reid, Ruger's general counsel. “The legislation says it has to work 100 percent of the time and there is nobody, nobody including Todd Lizotte himself, who would say it will always work.”

Several studies, including one done by the University of California Davis, have concluded the process needs further review, that it appears to work better on some guns than others.

But Lizotte, the inventor, argued that even in situations where only a partial code may be legible, it could still be invaluable – much like a partial fingerprint or license plate number – in cracking a crime.

For Feuer, the time has come to move past the debate and implement the law.

“The bottom line is this technology is going to help put criminals behind bars,” he said. “We should do it.”





Find this article at:
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stor...uncodes235322-casing-code-issues-snag-handgun
 
Many firearms companies are struggling to comply with California's 2006 mandate that all new handgun models include a loaded chamber indicator and a mechanism that prevents firing when a magazine is removed.
Perhaps gun makers just shouldn't bother. Many simply offer one model nationwide, and making it CA-compliant adds annoyance and potential hassle for everyone else. Maybe the people of CA will finally see how oppressive their state's restrictions are when there are only used guns available outside the gray market. Obviously the general citizenry supports these idiotic laws and lawmakers, out of ignorance or apathy.

Microstamping:
A silly technology with only a dubious value for solving crimes, easily overcome or eliminated if desired.
Typical asinine legislation by career politicians, more interested in looking like they are doing something about the scary guns than actually deterring crime.

Would the device survive wear & tear over thousands of rounds?
Could it be removed deliberately by the average gun owner?
What prevents criminals from tossing a handful of range brass after they police their own?
How does the state of CA reconcile revolvers and the obvious hole they shoot in the logic of this legislation?
What percentage of guns used in crimes were purchased new anyway?
Would microstamping solve any more crimes than "ballistics databases" have, or just hassle manufacturers and owners?
How will this law prevent murders? Wouldn't that be preferable to making them easier to solve?
When are we going to make it mandatory for every car to have a unique serial number on all bumpers to be stamped on whatever it hits?
 
"Perhaps gun makers just shouldn't bother. Many simply offer one model nationwide, and making it CA-compliant adds annoyance and potential hassle for everyone else. Maybe the people of CA will finally see how oppressive their state's restrictions are when there are only used guns available outside the gray market. Obviously the general citizenry supports these idiotic laws and lawmakers, out of ignorance or apathy." Bigfatdave

Please don't paint all Californians with the same brush. There is a growing community of 2nd Amendment Rights supporters that is working hard and making progress in winning back our rights. The scattered pro-gun groups are uniting.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=71

With continued hard work and support and just a little luck we'll roll back California gun laws and be a inspirational light to the rest of those in this country fighting for gun rights.

And I think you hit all the nails on the head Bigfatdave. You list all the good arguments against the microstamping law. Hide and watch and see if we don't blow up the California safe gun list entirely so that microstamping becomes irrelevant.

ArmedLiberal
 
The tiny characters must be etched in at least two places – the tip of the firing pin and one other location – within the firearm and positioned so that they transfer onto each cartridge as it is fired.


So...any 'Homie' or any one else, in four seconds, with a Needle File or fine abrasive paper...can remove the 'microstamping' from the Breeh or Firing pin 'tip'.


Leaving aside, that normal wear would probably do it soon enough also...
 
Yes, that's right. Some testing was done at UC Davis and they showed that different combinations of ammunitions and pistols would produce different results. Many of the casings had completely unreadable markings even when the guns were brand new.

After a few hundred rounds most of the guns produced unreadable stampings all of the time. And four seconds with a file did in deed remove the marking.

These test results were sent on to the legislature just before they passed the bill. Clearly it's more important politically to be seen doing "something, anything!" then to use reason and good judgement.

But at least they were able to slip in the amendment that the technology had to be available "unencumbered by any patent restrictions" before the law took effect. This effectively kills the law while still allowing the pols to claim a victory for gun control.

AL
 
Please don't paint all Californians with the same brush. There is a growing community of 2nd Amendment Rights supporters that is working hard and making progress in winning back our rights. The scattered pro-gun groups are uniting.
...snip...
Hide and watch and see if we don't blow up the California safe gun list entirely so that microstamping becomes irrelevant.
I know not all Californians are anti-gun, but what is it going to take to get the fence-sitters, Fudds, and apathetic gun owners to start writing letters and firing their authoritarian legislators (both D&R)? Quite frankly, manufacturers jumping backwards through their own [not high road] isn't helping the problem, and the CA "safe gun list" is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard of. CA needs a watershed moment like a sudden dry-up of new firearms to get the apathetic voters mad enough to do something, in my opinion.
 
One thought: Don't sell anything to an LEO that is not available to a non-LEO. Don't stock it, don't order it, don't make it, don't put it in a catalog. Ronny Barrett em. Ammo, guns, magazines, etc. Make the government deal with the magazine capacity limits, Title 2 ban, AW ban, approved firearm list, microstamping, and the proposed bill that would require the department to get a license to give officers more than 50 rounds per year and ban mail order ammo sales and mail order bullet sales, etc. If manufacturers and shops started this, things would change fast. Probably REALLY fast.
 
sniper5 said:
One thought: Don't sell anything to an LEO that is not available to a non-LEO. Don't stock it, don't order it, don't make it, don't put it in a catalog. Ronny Barrett em. Ammo, guns, magazines, etc. Make the government deal with the magazine capacity limits, Title 2 ban, AW ban, approved firearm list, microstamping, and the proposed bill that would require the department to get a license to give officers more than 50 rounds per year and ban mail order ammo sales and mail order bullet sales, etc. If manufacturers and shops started this, things would change fast. Probably REALLY fast.
Exactly!
Why should the police (with backup on call, with body armor, etc etc) be better equipped than a non-LEO can legally be? The moronic legislation on firearms sales (11+ rounds=illegal? ... no barrel shrouds? ... bayonet lugs are dangerous? ... who thinks this crap up in the first place?)
Manufacturers could bring these silly bans into the spotlight with a few press releases, rather than wasting R&D to secure low-margin contracts with a few LE agencies. Get the police chiefs annoyed at the silly laws, get the men/women on patrol annoyed at the silly laws, get THEM lobbying to remove irrational laws from the books. Force THEM to point out the ineffectiveness of these restrictions on new gun sales, because common sense from the plebes obviously isn't making a difference.
Barrett is setting a great example, here's a snippet from Ronnie Barrett's letter to the Honolulu PD:
Ronnie G. Barrett said:
Now, I must ask you how many murders can you report that were committed in your jurisdiction with a .50-caliber rifle? How many robberies? How many .50-caliber rifles have you found at crime scenes?
Google "Letter from Ronnie Barrett" for more great examples of how a manufacturer should respond to restrictions/limitations on sales of their product to civilians.
 
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