Gunowners of America support microstamping

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Does anyone know if this technology even works? I can understand engraving parts. I understand that fired brass has a nice imprinted signature that is gun specific, but is that pattern an obvious mirror image of the microscopic breech face? To transfer a micro engraving to a brass case seems rather difficult to me. Yes, the pressures are high, but they are short duration and the brass is rather thick. I could see perhaps etchings that are visible to the naked eye perhaps being transferred to the brass. I can sometimes see a circle in the case head of my 270 win loads where the ejector hole is, but its not a perfect circle. And its a 50K PSI cartridge.
 
You can go here and get some detailed info from the CalNRA when we had to fight this off in California.
http://calnra.com/legs.shtml?summary=ab352.1&year=2006

This is what Todd Lizotte responded with in the calguns.net thread
http://calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=36142&page=7&highlight=todd+lizotte
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Hello Todd Again,

I understand about being a member of the NRA, luckily do not feel I need to be absolved from anything, nor do I have sleepless nights.

I do believe it is in our interest to assist law enforcement. As for if this technology will help or not, the key is what ballistic forensic professionals think, not what I think

As for how to invent, what to invent and measuring the fall out ... For everyone one of you, there is someone who thinks the opposite. So, in the end, neither of you have the answers.

With regards to your technical analysis, appropriate, but not 100% correct. The microstrcutures are difficult to see and remove. The type of cirminal we are talking about are not super smart. As for what it gives law enforcement .. information on trafficking patterns, routes and leads to straw purchasers who make it difficult for the industry and all of us.

I do not have time to go into detail today, but I will log back on next week to outline the details of the technology.

I appreciate the feedback and understand your position.

Just a note: the industry has started to make inquiries about the technology, I think it will be implemented with or without a law being passed.

Best regards,
Todd

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He never did return to answer questions or to outline details of the technology.

Interesting note about the gun industry making inquiries into this technology. Haven't seen any news to backup that statement.


Knock'em dead back there,

Vick
 
Blind?

Tim James
... at least detectives have a path to follow, even when it's the wrong one," before turning away from our esteemed reporter in disgust
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I can't find the bold part in the article. :scrutiny: I don't believe I'm "nearly-blind" either. :confused:
 
I skimmed this thread very quickley, so I'm not sure if somebody else already mentioned this.

If it stamps the case, what about someone shooting somebody, then picking up their own case (if from a semi auto), then tossing down SOMEBODY ELSE'S case in the same caliber?

Like in the movies: shoot somebody, then plant your gun in someone's else's hand to frame them.
 
I received email from GOA and Larry Pratt was misquoted.

The paper is making the correction in todays copy.

glummer, I haven't seen that bold part of the quote written anywhere either.

Hell of a mistake.

Vick
 
Compliments of Michael Crichton:
Media carries with it a credibility that is totally undeserved. You have all experienced this, in what I call the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. (I call it by this name because I once discussed it with Murray Gell-Mann, and by dropping a famous name I imply greater importance to myself, and to the effect, than it would otherwise have.)

Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect works as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward-reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them.

In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story-and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read with renewed interest as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about far-off Palestine than it was about the story you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

That is the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. I'd point out it does not operate in other arenas of life. In ordinary life, if somebody consistently exaggerates or lies to you, you soon discount everything they say. In court, there is the legal doctrine of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, which means untruthful in one part, untruthful in all.

But when it comes to the media, we believe against evidence that it is probably worth our time to read other parts of the paper. When, in fact, it almost certainly isn't. The only possible explanation for our behavior is amnesia.
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The same media that gave us full-auto revolvers, military assault weapons available for purchase by grammar school children, "14 children a day", "42 times more likely to kill a family member", legislation against Glock 7s (ceramic, you know) and "cop killer" bullets...

Tells us Larry Pratt is gung-ho for microstamping.

Amnesia - I used to dismiss the notion but it seems more and more plausible. If there's another explanation for assuming Pratt would say what was reported as opposed to an automatic assumption of the sort of media mis-step we've all come to expect, I'd like to hear it.

Granted, in my case, the assumption of a media screw-up isn't just automatic, it's "fully automatic".
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I can't find the bold part in the article. I don't believe I'm "nearly-blind" either.
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It was just an example I made up of what Pratt could have really said when he was taken out of context. My fault, too subtle.
 
"But even if it works once, it's worth it." -- Deputy Chief Edward Murphy of the Passaic County Prosecutor's Office.
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Let's not be so quick to reject Chief Murphy's thinking. There's a lot to be said for it. As everyone knows, there have been many situations in which prosecutors have gone after the wrong person and police officers have behaved badly. Not all prosecutors or police officers are wrong, of course, but if we can save even one innocent person from the pain of being arrested, prosecuted, or sentenced it's worth it. So what we need to do is take steps to make prosecutors and all others in the law enforcement environment individually liable for their misfeasance or malfeasance. It might not work all the time but even if it works once it's worth it and, besides, why would they object if they're not doing anything wrong? We could call it Murphy's Law, in tribute to the thinking of Deputy Chief Edward Murphy of the Passaic County Prosecutor's Office.
 
...if it saves one life, its worth it....

The money spendt on the Maryland Ballistic Fingerprint data base
did not solve a single crime or save a single life. The money wasted
on that project would have added at least twelve full time troopers
to the Maryland Highway Patrol--salary, benefits, all expenses--which
I think would have helped more.

John Howard financed Rebecca Peters' pet project--confiscation and
destruction of 640,000 legally register firearms from lawabiding
Australian gunowners--by taking money out of the public health
budget.

Most of these anti-gun crusades do NOT save lives and they are NOT
worth the cost. the money could be spendt elsewhere with more
benefit.
 
Oh man, Robert Hairless, that is absolutely priceless...:D :evil:

Oh, if it could only be officially proposed...the pace of backpedaling and stuttering would set new world records.

Sawdust
 
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