Interesting picture from Irag
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If those are fine weapons, then they're the only ones in Iraq. My brother told me that aside from getting to fondle some of the gold AKs and such (the look on his face when he was describing them was priceless), he did not have a favorable impression of the Iraqi arsenal. Old rusty pieces of junk that made better throwing weapons than shooting weapons. He said that he saw his first inoperable AK taken off an Iraqi soldier. All the parts were there, but it was so full of sand and rust that it actually would not work. Apparently the Iraqi army has accomplished the impossible by managing to actually ruin the invincible AK.
Nightcrawler
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The hispanic dude that's kind of looking down is carrying an M240 machine gun.
Still not seeing any ARs in the photo...
Still not seeing any ARs in the photo...
MaterDei
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I don't think this is a trophy photo, I honestly believe that these are what these guys just happened to be carrying at the time the photo was taken.
Don't make to much of the fact that many are unslung. EOD guys don't do much humping, they ride everywhere. And if they are actually doing any shooting at bad guys then something has gone wrong, i.e. an ambush. Slings in vehicles get in the way more than help.
Other reasons why I'm leaning toward this being a non-trophy photo:
1. They each only have one weapon (with the exception of some sidearms). For a trophy photo they would have been displaying more.
2. Some DO have issue weapons.
3. Some have no visible weapons at all.
4. If they were wanting to show off their trophies, we would not be having such a hard time IDing them.
5. sturmruger's comment regarding the lack of uniformality in their uniforms would suggest a command structure that would also allow nonuniform weapons use as well.
6. As a former company commander, I'm not sure whether I would have allowed this (depends on the circumstances, shortages, how the battalion commander might have felt, etc.), but I can say for certain that weapons locked up in the arms room are less likely to be lost/stolen then once being used and carried every day. Commanders are accountable for the issue weapons, not the trophies.
Just my $.02. YMMV
Michael
Don't make to much of the fact that many are unslung. EOD guys don't do much humping, they ride everywhere. And if they are actually doing any shooting at bad guys then something has gone wrong, i.e. an ambush. Slings in vehicles get in the way more than help.
Other reasons why I'm leaning toward this being a non-trophy photo:
1. They each only have one weapon (with the exception of some sidearms). For a trophy photo they would have been displaying more.
2. Some DO have issue weapons.
3. Some have no visible weapons at all.
4. If they were wanting to show off their trophies, we would not be having such a hard time IDing them.
5. sturmruger's comment regarding the lack of uniformality in their uniforms would suggest a command structure that would also allow nonuniform weapons use as well.
6. As a former company commander, I'm not sure whether I would have allowed this (depends on the circumstances, shortages, how the battalion commander might have felt, etc.), but I can say for certain that weapons locked up in the arms room are less likely to be lost/stolen then once being used and carried every day. Commanders are accountable for the issue weapons, not the trophies.
Just my $.02. YMMV
Michael
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It is truly amazing to see the lengths the AR haters club will go to in order to justify their beliefs. These guys are posing for a "look cool" photo, nothing more. A picture may be worth a thousand words, but you guys have bumped that number up exponentially what with all the reading between the lines and loose interpretation goin on. Sheesh!
MaterDei
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It is truly amazing to see the lengths the AR lovers club will go to in order to justify their beliefs.
mephisto
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m-240, i second that. you can also see the carry handle.
Thumper
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Of course it's a trophy pic...geez.
It's an EOD unit, fer crissakes.
It's an EOD unit, fer crissakes.
Mikul
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Do you see what's REALLY amazing about the picture. Not one of these guys has his finger on a trigger.
Somebody trained them properly.
Somebody trained them properly.
fix
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Marines have a tendency to do that.
sturmruger
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I have a novel idea why don't figure out what unit this is and then email them??? Do you think it would be that easy??? I think we could find the truth behind this photo by figuring out where it came from.]
One more question, are marines issued sunglasses or are do they buy those personally??
One more question, are marines issued sunglasses or are do they buy those personally??
Nightcrawler
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You prettymuch NEED sunglasses in that desert.
The Wiley-X glasses/goggles are many times better than the old issue goggles and have been issued a NSN.
The Wiley-X glasses/goggles are many times better than the old issue goggles and have been issued a NSN.
keyhole
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Mikul
If you look at most shots of the action over there, you note that they have their fingers off the trigger. Like was said, good training.
If you look at most shots of the action over there, you note that they have their fingers off the trigger. Like was said, good training.
MaterDei
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Hey, I was just speculating like everybody else.
Detritus
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quit being picky!! you know derned well that on boards like this the term "AR" refferrs to ANY rifle or carbine derived from Eugene stoner's "AR-15" design, and that those who said AR here MEANT "M-16"
just play nice and quit nit picking the "nomenclature challenged".
BTW this thing REEKS of being a trophy "Dude Shot".
Nightcrawler
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Hee hee hee....
Normally I wouldn't. I found it positively anal once, when somebody enquired about getting an M14 rifle and everyone jumped on him about not specifying "M1A" or somesuch.
But then, I have this stereotype in my mind of the AR lover who's emboldened by the fact that that the military uses a gun that kind of looks like his, and thusly calls their guns what he calls his in order to make him feel like he has a military issue weapon. This stereotype has been further reinforced by all of those silly "M4-gery" rifles with the stepped barrel for the M203 that you're never going to put on there, because you can't get one, and the fake, non-collapsing, collapsing-looking stock.
Don't mind me, just being a punk...
I'll be good. Promise.
cameroneod
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Gonna have to disagree with you on that one.
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