Interesting reversal of "once a rifle always a rifle"

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Interesting reversal of "once a rifle always a rifle" UPDATED

http://blog.princelaw.com/2011/8/2/batfe-ruling-2011-4-pistol-to-a-rifle-and-back-to-a-pistol

It's official once the Ruling is posted here: http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/


Apparently they got tired of writing all those determination letters that don't make sense and contradict themselves with previous letters.

Now to go look for 16" barrels for all my handguns............:D

EDIT: Now it's "official"!:D
http://www.atf.gov/regulations-rulings/rulings/atf-rulings/atf-ruling-2011-4.pdf
U.S. Department of Justice
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Office of the Director
Washington, DC 20226
26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM )
26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4): DEFINITIONS (FIREARM)
26 U.S.C. 5845(c): DEFINITIONS (RIFLE)
27 CFR 479.11: DEFINITIONS (RIFLE)
27 CFR 479.11: DEFINITIONS (PISTOL)

A firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), is made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way that they: (a) serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length; or (b) convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm. A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when parts within a kit that were originally designed to be configured as both a pistol and a rifle are assembled or re-assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length). A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel or barrels of 16 inches or more in length, and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol). A firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle.

ATF Rul. 2011-4
The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) has received requests from individuals to classify pistols that are reconfigured into rifles, for personal use, through the addition of barrels, stocks, and other parts and then returned to a pistol configuration by removal of those components. Specifically, ATF has been asked to determine whether such a pistol, once returned to a pistol configuration from a rifle, becomes a “weapon made from a rifle” as defined under the National Firearms Act (NFA).

Some manufacturers produce firearm receivers and attachable component parts that are designed to be assembled into both rifles and pistols. The same receiver can accept an interchangeable shoulder stock or pistol grip, and a long (16 or more inches in length) or short (less than 16 inches) barrel. These components are sold individually, or as unassembled kits. Generally, the kits include a receiver, a pistol grip, a pistol barrel less than 16 inches in length, a shoulder stock, and a rifle barrel 16 inches or more in length.
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Certain parts or parts sets are also designed to allow an individual to convert a pistol into a rifle without removing a barrel or attaching a shoulder stock to the pistol. These parts consist of an outer shell with a shoulder stock into which the pistol may be inserted. When inserted, the pistol fires a projectile through a rifled extension barrel that is 16 inches or more in length, and with an overall length of 26 inches or more. Other parts sets require that certain parts of the pistol, such as the pistol barrel and the slide assembly, be removed from the pistol frame prior to attaching the parts sets. Typically, a separate barrel is sold with the parts set, which is 16 inches or greater in length. The barrel is installed along with an accompanying shoulder stock. The resulting firearm has a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and an overall length of 26 inches or more.

The NFA, Title 26, United States Code (U.S.C.), Chapter 53, requires that persons manufacturing, importing, transferring, or possessing firearms as defined in the NFA comply with the Act’s licensing, registration, and taxation requirements. The NFA defines the term “firearm” at 26 U.S.C. 5845(a) to include “(3) a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length;” (“short-barreled rifle”) and “(4) a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length” (“weapon made from a rifle”). The term “rifle” is defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(c) and 27 CFR 479.11 as “a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned and made or remade to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger, and shall include any such weapon which may be readily restored to fire a fixed cartridge.” Although not defined in the NFA, the term “pistol” is defined by the Act’s implementing regulations, 27 CFR 479.11, as “a weapon originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile (bullet) from one or more barrels when held in one hand, and having (a) a chamber(s) as an integral part(s) of, or permanently aligned with, the bore(s); and (b) a short stock designed to be gripped by one hand and at an angle to and extending below the line of the bore(s)” (emphasis added).

Unassembled Parts Kits
In United States v. Thompson/Center Arms Company, 504 U.S. 505 (1992), the United States Supreme Court examined whether a short-barreled rifle was “made” under the NFA when a carbine-conversion kit consisting of a single-shot “Contender” pistol was designed so that its handle and barrel could be removed from its receiver, and was packaged with a 21-inch barrel, a rifle stock, and a wooden fore-end. The Court held that, where aggregated parts could convert a pistol into either a regulated short-barreled rifle, or an unregulated rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, the NFA was ambiguous and applied the “rule of lenity” (i.e., ambiguities in criminal statutes should be resolved in favor of the defendant) so that the pistol and carbine kit, when packaged together, were not considered a “short-barreled rifle” for purposes of the NFA.

However, the Court also explained that an NFA firearm is made if aggregated parts are in close proximity such that they: (a) serve no useful purpose other than to make an NFA firearm (e.g., a receiver, an attachable shoulder stock, and a short barrel); or (b) convert a
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complete weapon into an NFA firearm (e.g., a pistol and attachable shoulder stock, or a long-barreled rifle and attachable short barrel). Id. at 511-13.

Assembly of Weapons from Parts Kits
The Thompson/Center Court viewed the parts within the conversion kit not only as a Contender pistol, but also as an unassembled “rifle” as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(c). The inclusion of the rifle stock in the package brought the Contender pistol and carbine kit within the "intended to be fired from the shoulder" language in the definition of rifle at 26 U.S.C. 5845(c). Id. at 513 n.6. Thompson/Center did not address the subsequent assembly of the parts. United States v. Ardoin, 19 F.3d 177, 181 (5th Cir. 1994). Based on the definition of “firearm” in 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), if parts are assembled into a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, a regulated short-barreled rifle has been made. See, e.g., United States v. Owens, 103 F.3d 953 (11th Cir. 1997); United States v. One (1) Colt Ar-15, 394 F. Supp. 2d 1064 (W.D.Tenn. 2004). Conversely, if the parts are assembled into a rifle having a barrel or barrels 16 inches in length or more, a rifle not subject to the NFA has been made.

Therefore, so long as a parts kit or collection of parts is not used to make a firearm regulated under the NFA (e.g., a short-barreled rifle or “any other weapon” as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(e)), no NFA firearm is made when the same parts are assembled or re-assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length). Merely assembling and disassembling such a rifle does not result in the making of a new weapon; rather, it is the same rifle in a knockdown condition (i.e., complete as to all component parts). Likewise, because it is the same weapon when reconfigured as a pistol, no “weapon made from a rifle” subject to the NFA has been made.

Nonetheless, if a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length is assembled or otherwise produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle, such a weapon is a “weapon made from a rifle” as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4). Such a weapon would not be a “pistol” because the weapon was not originally designed, made, and intended to fire a projectile by one hand.

Held, a firearm, as defined by the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3), is made when unassembled parts are placed in close proximity in such a way that they:
(a) Serve no useful purpose other than to make a rifle having a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length (e.g., a receiver, an attachable shoulder stock, and barrel of less than 16 inches in length); or
(b) Convert a complete weapon into such an NFA firearm, including –
(1) A pistol and attachable shoulder stock; and
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(2) A rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and an attachable barrel of less than 16 inches in length.

Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA.

Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when parts in a kit that were originally designed to be configured as both a pistol and a rifle are assembled or re-assembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length).

Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(3) and (a)(4), is not made when a pistol is attached to a part or parts designed to convert the pistol into a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length, and the parts are later unassembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., as a pistol).

Held further, a firearm, as defined by 26 U.S.C. 5845(a)(4), is made when a handgun or other weapon with an overall length of less than 26 inches, or a barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length, is assembled or produced from a weapon originally assembled or produced only as a rifle. Such weapons must be registered and are subject to all requirements of the NFA.

To the extent this ruling may be inconsistent with any prior letter rulings, they are hereby superseded.
Date approved: July 25, 2011
Kenneth E. Melson
Acting Director
 
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I'm glad to see this. It smooths out some confusion that has been around since the Supreme Court's T-C decision.
 
so....carbine conversion kits for pistols would be a-ok now right?

will this make it legal to put a shoulder stock to a pistol?
 
JEB so....carbine conversion kits for pistols would be a-ok now right?

will this make it legal to put a shoulder stock to a pistol?

It will make conversion of a pistol to carbine (16" bbl, 26" OA) AND back to pistol without need for a tax stamp. Currently it requires a tax stamp as returning to a pistol results in a firearm made from a rifle (NFA).

Putting a shoulder stock on a pistol is currently legal....with a tax stamp. A pistol with shoulder stock and a barrel of less than 16" is a short barreled rifle.
 
I'm going to wait to see the official ruling...and then then wait to see what kind of neat kits come out to get. :p
 
dogtown tom:

thanks for clearing that up for me! now i gotta go find a carbine kit...
 
Does that mean I have to do something about my Unique .22 ?

Had it for a long time; gave it to my girlfriend for her B.day
She loves all the attn. it gets at the range.
It's a fun gun to shoot; Mine, I mean hers doesn't have a scope.

I kind of have a pre-nup on it. If we break up I get it back. LOL
Here's about the only pic I can find.

http://www.proxibid.com/asp/LotDetail.asp?ahid=2779&aid=34263&lid=9418504#topoflot

Life's hard. It's even harder if your stupid. John Wayne
 
So this clears up the Mech Tech Glock/ 1911 carbine uppers.

I always thought it was odd that a pistol could be made into a rifle, but then it's stuck that way for all time without a tax stamp converting it to a SBR, even though it's in the exact same pistol configuration as it was manufactured to be.

Hopefully this becomes official.
 
So this clears up the Mech Tech Glock/ 1911 carbine uppers.
Several years ago, they said the Mech-Tech was okay since the the carbine unit was one piece, and the stock could not be added to the pistol without the rest of the upper. Of course, it was worded different, but that was the jist of it.

It didn't surprise when I read different later. They'll change their mind again in a few years.
 
Oh, that is AWESOME!

dogtown tom (or anyone, really), make sure I see this when the official word is posted and I'll see about getting this in the stickies.
 
forgetitohio Does that mean I have to do something about my Unique .22 ?
Under current ATF interpretation, removing the "pistol" from that rifle makes the firearm an NFA firearm.......requiring a tax stamp.

This new ruling will no longer require that.

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So this clears up the Mech Tech Glock/ 1911 carbine uppers.
Several years ago, they said the Mech-Tech was okay since the the carbine unit was one piece, and the stock could not be added to the pistol without the rest of the upper. Of course, it was worded different, but that was the jist of it.
What ATF said was the MechTec conversion unit ITSELF was not a firearm....putting a pistol into the MechTec conversion made the pistol into a rifle...still not a problem.

MechTec took great pains to hide the fact that subsequent conversion back into a handgun required a Federal tax stamp. This is because you just made a NFA firearm....and "a firearm made from a rifle" is still a rifle.

CoRoMo Time to buy some AR lowers... "pistol" lowers, that is.
AR lowers, frames and receivers are "Other firearms"....there is no such animal as a "pistol lower". ATF dug themselves a hole when they determined that lowers were neither long guns or handguns. Because the DEALER must record a lower as "other" on a Form 4473 and in his bound book...there is no way to determine if a used lower had ever been assembled as a rifle.

In short, ATF's own ruling would allow someone to buy a stripped lower, build it into a rifle, then strip it back down to a bare lower, sell it on GunBroker, the receiving dealer would then log it in as a "other firearm", the buyer could then build it out as a "pistol" AR.

CoRoMo They've probably never been able to define what a shoulder stock is or is not in the first place or what technically is considered "designed to be fired from the shoulder".
Yes, they have.
 
Yes, they have.
Not to derail your thread, but could you post something for me? A link to these definitions? I just recall those threads and the ATF letters about shoulder-firing the AR pistol and using the buffer tube as a shoulder stock, but of course it's not one. Add a doohickey to the end of the buffer tube to cushion the recoil against your shoulder, one of their letters says you still don't have a shoulder stock.

I've read where they call a number of things not a shoulder stock, but I've never seen where they've acutally placed the line in the sand.
 
I'm hoping I'll be kosher to add an 18" .410 barrel to my Encore and swap back out to the pistol barrels without creating an AOW. But I'm still looking into it.
 
CoRoMo
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Yes, they have.
Not to derail your thread, but could you post something for me? A link to these definitions? I just recall those threads and the ATF letters about shoulder-firing the AR pistol and using the buffer tube as a shoulder stock, but of course it's not one. Add a doohickey to the end of the buffer tube to cushion the recoil against your shoulder, one of their letters says you still don't have a shoulder stock.

I've read where they call a number of things not a shoulder stock, but I've never seen where they've acutally placed the line in the sand.

http://www.atf.gov/publications/download/p/atf-p-5300-4.pdf
ATF doesn't have a definition for every single part on a firearm, they don't need to.....the phrase "designed to be fired from the shoulder" is in the definition for rifles and in the definition for shotguns. That allows ATF to interpret what IS designed and what IS NOT designed to allow a rifle or shotgun to be fired from the shoulder. Clearly a pistol grip is not "designed to be fired from the shoulder....that's why the Mossberg Persuader is not classified as a shotgun. The link in your post of an AR pistol with a buffer tube is clearly not a design that was intended for use as a shoulder stock. If that buffer tube DOES allow you to fire from the shoulder....ATF will write a determination letter as to whether you can use it with an AR pistol and its status as an NFA firearm (short barreled rifle).
 
A lot of people don’t realize that HANDGUNS were originally included in The National Firearms Act of 1934 but they were removed at the last minute due to public pressure but all the provisions designed to keep people from converting long guns into handguns remained in the bill and became law.

Outlawing removable stocks and short barrels on rifles only makes sense when the original intent is understood. That intent was to prevent people from making long guns concealable. Sawing off a rifle became illegal even though you can still buy a handgun that is even more concealable and adding a stock to a pistol actually makes it less concealable and fairly impractical for hiding under your shirt.

These provisions of the NFA really should be revised and serve no practical purpose whatsoever because concealable handguns are still available and are usually preferred by armed robbers. Adding a stock to a pistol poses no danger to the public.
 
These provisions of the NFA really should be revised and serve no practical purpose whatsoever because concealable handguns are still available and are usually preferred by armed robbers.
Furthermore, all states but one now allow for some form of legal concealed carry, so banning concealable "rifles" is just foolishness.
 
The way to make people respect the law is to make the law respectable.

Locking otherwise harmless people up over technicalities is counterproductive to cultivating and maintaining respect for the law. Putting a butt stock on a pistol really does not make it more suitable for any crime. Neither does adding a forward pistol grip.
 
This would be good news.

I have said in detail in a number of threads why this is the proper legal interpretation after the Thompson case.
 
Sorry to belabor the point...

ATF doesn't have a definition for every single part on a firearm, they don't need to...
You're basically saying what I said. They don't have a definition that we can all point to in order to know the difference between a "modified buffer tube" and a "shoulder stock" (I'm only using that term rather than type out "designed to be fired from the shoulder"). Hence the need to request a determination letter from them any time one of us mounts a widget to the end of the tube. They don't have a clear description of when a buffer tube has been modified to the point that it is now within the definition of 'shoulder stock'. Just like you said...
...all those determination letters that don't make sense and contradict themselves with previous letters.
Now, we have a lot of very simple and absolute definitions of others firearm terms, such as "machine gun". I wanted to focus on the AR pistol's buffer tube for one specific reason. What's been going on for several years now is that questions regarding the AR pistol's buffer tube have apparently been confounding the Technology Branch. I'm sure questions regarding other platforms are being asked also. But when one person asks if adding a block of foam to the end of the buffer tube makes it a shoulder design, the next question is about the size of that block of foam, or what if the block is made of rubber, and what if the block was another half inch longer, but an eighth inch narrower etc. They would drown in all the ambiguity.

If I was building an AR pistol, I'd opt for a rifle-length buffer tube for it so that I could shoulder it and operate it just like a rifle. I would blatantly be designing my build to be fired from the shoulder. But the Tech Branch has already said that the length of the tube doesn't change it to a shoulder fired design, which is weird because I would be the actual designer and I could say with certainty that I was in fact designing it to be fired from the shoulder, I was only going to keep it legally defined as a pistol so that I can enjoy the short barrel.

The only reason you'd say that they don't need to have a clear definition, is because they are the regulatory agency with the power seat that can tell one guy he's made a shoulder fired design, while the other guy with a bit less material there, still has a buffer tube. Since they don't have a clear definition of something like this, they're going to be inundated with such incrementally contrasting questions to no end. I think it's another hole they have been trying to dig out of.
 
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