Interesting view from Anthony Bourdain

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As much as I’d like to wax effusively about the delights of the Frito pie, a shamefully delightful flavor bomb that pleases in equal measure to its feeling in the hand like a steaming dog turd, I suspect what people are going to talk about when they see our New Mexico episode is the sight of me; socialist sympathizer, leftie, liberal New Yorker, gleefully hammering away with an AR-15, an instrument of mayhem and loathing that also has the distinction of being America’s favorite weapon.

I like guns.

I like shooting them. I like holding their sleek, heavy, deadly weight in my hands. I like shooting at targets: cans, paper cut-outs, and—even though I’m not a hunter—the occasional animal. Though I do not own a gun—I would, if I lived in a rural area like, say…Montana—consider owning one. Whatever my feelings about gun regulation—and my worries, as a father, about what kind of world my daughter will have to live in, I think I should have as many guns as I like. Even Ted Nugent should have guns. He likes them a lot. They make him happy—and as offensive as I may find a lot of what comes out of his mouth, I’m pretty sure, based on first hand experience, that he’s a responsible gun owner.

You, however, I’m not so sure about. And my next door neighbor. I’m not so sure about him either. I’d like to know a bit more about him before he takes possession of an M-16 and a whole lot of extra clips. If we accept the proposition that that a gun is simply a tool—with potentially lethal properties—it follows that it’s not too different than a vehicle. And I would like to know a LOT more about you before I’m comfortable putting you behind the wheel of a sixteen wheeler. I’d like to know if you’re a maniacal drunk or crackhead before allowing you to barrel down that highway with three tons of trailer swinging behind you. If you favor an aluminum foil hat as headgear, I would have concerns about entrusting you with so much power to harm so many in so little time. That’s a reasonable thing for a society to ponder on, I think.

The upcoming New Mexico show is not about guns. Though there are, as in much of America between the coasts, many guns there. This show is about the American cowboy ideal, about the romantic promise of the American West, about individuality, the freedom to be weird. New Mexico, where Spanish, Mexican, Pueblo, Navajo and European cultures mix and have mixed—at times painfully, lately more easily. New Mexico, where everyone from artists, hippies, cowboys, poets, misfits, refugees, and tourists, of every political stripe have interpreted the promise of its gorgeous, wide open spaces and the freedom that that offers in their own, very different ways. New Mexico is an enchanted land, where people are largely free to create their own world.

Americans are traditionally, by nature, suspicious—and even hostile—to government. Whether we admit it or not, we were, most of us, suckled on the idea that a “man” should solve his own problems—that there are simple answers to complex questions—and that if all else fails, taking the situation into one’s own hands—violently—is somehow “cleansing” and heroic. Whether playing cowboys and Indians as a child, or watching films—those are our heroes, our icons: the lone gunman, the outlaw, the gangster, the ordinary man pushed too far. That’s a uniquely American pathology. And even the ex-flower children who’ve escaped the cities of the East to put Indian feathers in their hair, turquoise around their neck—and a battered pair of cowboy boots are, on some level, buying in to that ethos of a mythical West.

In New York, where I live, the appearance of a gun—anywhere—is a cause for immediate and extreme alarm. Yet, in much of America, I have come to find, it’s perfectly normal. I’ve walked many times into bars in Missouri, Nevada, Texas, where absolutely everyone is packing. I’ve sat down many times to dinner in perfectly nice family homes where—at end of dinner—Mom swings open the gun locker and invites us all to step into the back yard and pot some beer cans. That may not be Piers Morgan’s idea of normal. It may not be yours. But that’s a facet of American life that’s unlikely to change.

I may be a New York lefty—with all the experiences, prejudices and attitudes that one would expect to come along with that, but I do NOT believe that we will reduce gun violence—or reach any kind of consensus—by shrieking at each other. Gun owners—the vast majority of them I have met—are NOT idiots. They are NOT psychos. They are not even necessarily Republican (New Mexico, by the way, is a Blue State). They are not hicks, right wing “nuts” or necessarily violent by nature. And if “we” have any hope of ever changing anything in this country in the cause of reason—and the safety of our children—we should stop talking about a significant part of our population as if they were lesser, stupider or crazier than we are. The bat**** absolutist Wayne LaPierre may not represent the vast majority of gun owners in this land—but if pushed—if the conversation veers towards talk of taking away people’s guns—many gun owners will shade towards him—and away from us.

Gun culture goes DEEP in this country. Deep. A whole hell of a lot of people I’ve met remember Daddy giving them their first rifle as early as age six—and that kind of bonding—that first walk through the early morning woods with your Dad—that’s deep tissue stuff. When people start equating guns—ALL guns—as evil—as something to be eradicated, a whole helluva lot of people are going to get defensive.

The conversation so far has illuminated, instead of any substantial issues, mostly the huge cultural divide between those like me who live in coastal cities with restrictive gun laws—and that vast swath of America who live very differently. We don’t understand how they live. And they don’t understand how we could POSSIBLY live the way we live. A little respect for that difference might be a good thing. The contempt, mockery and total lack of understanding for all those people “out there” by deep thinkers and pundits who’ve never sat down for a cold beer in a bar full of camo-wearing duck hunters is both despicable and counterproductive. We are too busy expressing disbelief at the ways others have chosen to live to ever really talk about the nuts and bolts of making America safer and less violent.

No middle ground is possible when even the notion of a sane, reasonable person who likes to shoot lots of bullets at stuff is seen as so foreign—so “other”. Maybe we would be better off– safer, kinder to one another if we were Denmark or Sweden.

But we are not.

And riding across the incredible landscape of Ghost Ranch outside of Sante Fe, seeing the canyons and arroyos that so inspired Georgia O’ Keefe and generations of artists, writers and seekers who followed, one is especially glad we are not.

There are a lot of nice people in this country. A whole helluva lot of them, like it or not, own AR-15s. If we can’t have at least, a conversation with them, sit down, break bread— about where we are going and how we are going to get there, there is no hope at all.

As far as the much more important question of where I stand on the question of red chile—or green?

I’m green all the way. And New Mexico’s got it best.
 
I've seen him shoot and hunt several times on his shows. The Austrian? show for red deer (if I remember correctly) was very good. And for a New York liberal he is outstandingly thoughtful and correct. Very good piece.

And I agree...green.
 
"They are NOT psychos .... they are not hicks, right wing 'nuts' or necessarily violent by nature. And if 'we' have any hope of ever changing anything in this country in the cause of reason -- and the safety of our children -- we should stop talking about a significant part of our population as if they were lesser, stupider or crazier than we are."

Okay, fine ... but then:

"The bat <censored>* absolutist Wayne LaPierre....."

I sense a tadbit of hypocrisy here. He considers LaPierre an "absolutist?" Uh, isn't one of the complaints levied against the NRA that they um, "compromise" too much?
I have to wonder how serious the author is when he goes from denouncing ad hominem straight into its deep end without passing "go" or collecting $200.



* I have omitted the asterisks as were originally included in the article as I have been given reason to be deathly afraid of them ... for some reason .....:eek:
 
You, however, I’m not so sure about. And my next door neighbor. I’m not so sure about him either. I’d like to know a bit more about him before he takes possession of an M-16 and a whole lot of extra clips.

If we accept the proposition that that a gun is simply a tool—with potentially lethal properties—it follows that it’s not too different than a vehicle

To me this sounds like he is advocating registration or at least training to own firearms which isn't right because owning a firearm is a right. The vehicle analogy isn't entirely accurate either. You don't need to do anything to own and use a vehicle, you need all of that stuff to drive on public roads, whereas firearms are more often used on private property.

Overall, he at least seems level-headed and analytical as opposed to emotional and irrational. I admire that he sees that firearm ownership and activities is often bonding moments between a father and a son (or daughter). Mr. Bourdain seems like the type of liberal-minded individual that we could sit down at the table with to discuss. Just as long as he understands that by sitting down and talking, gun owners are not conceding that they have to give anything up to incrementalism.
 
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I did see that show last night after the A's game. It was pretty cool and the shooting was cool. My SIL and BIL live in Santa Fe. Neat place, cool heritage, but I need more moisture.

I don't look to actors for political views, musicians for views on the Earth's climate or chefs for defining our 2nd amendment. See my sig.
 
Hmmm, at least he got the chile question right.

As far as the rest the spirit of it was refreshing, but the inference of training/license requirments is getting about as old as vehicle analogies. No matter how well worded or well intended these type of statements are there is still a belief that 'something' needs to change. There cannot be a conversation about compromise until both sides are willing to GIVE something...

Also, just like there are different rules for people driving 18 wheelers, there ARE different rules regarding owning an M-16.
And now I'm using the vehicle analogy! Doh!
 
He's a smart guy and he has self-awareness. The ability to recognize and admit one's own biases and tendencies make it much easier for intelligent dialogue to occur. We and them could both benefit from more of this.

One of my favorite Einstein Quotes... "Few people are capable of expressing with equanimity, opinions which differ from the prejudices of their social environment. Most people are incapable of even forming them."
 
Red. And his comments on the Frito pie weren't well received here in New Mexico. At all. By anyone. :neener: He literally shot himself in the foot on that issue at least.

I think his comments on Wayne LaPierre referred to LaPierre's stance on the absolute refusing to even talk about any kind of compromise at all on guns. After all, the libs just want to enact "reasonable, common-sense gun laws" to protect the children. LaPierre refuses to discuss this point and they can't understand this position of not budging on the 2A. After all, it's for the children.
 
I have always rather liked Bourdain, I can't stand LaPierre, I own 2 AR-15, and green chiles are the only real chiles.
 
I watched the New Mexico episode this evening and hearing how this was spoken was even better.
 
You may take issue with some of his rhetoric (Wayne LaPierre remarks), but he's trying to demonstrate to the lefty world in urban America that we are not a bunch of crazy gun nuts.

Our first job is to try to not make his job any harder.

Bourdain goes out of his way to talk about millions of normal, ordinary citizens who are gun owners. He says liberal urban people need to meet rural people and appreciate the rural American lifestyle that includes firearms.

What can we do to help the conversation? Liberals are afraid of guns and think guns make their urban areas more violent. They see no room or practical use for guns in an urban environment. No place to shoot safely. With standing armies, we do not muster citizen militias much anymore. Urban liberals point to the glorification of guns and crime in movies, street gangs, and video games. Our job is to calmly and warmly demonstrate that the media and Hollywood depiction of guns is for entertainment purposes only and is not reality.

In rural America there are wide open spaces. The frontier still exists in many ways. And the overwhelming majority of people living in rural America (and urban America) are sane, squared-away folks who are responsible, upstanding citizens. You can talk about the infinitesimal probability of being hurt by a gun in the city, but their fear of guns is as strong or stronger than your fear of them being taken away. Fear feeds irrationality on both sides.

Liberals love the first amendment, because it protects free speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press, and right to assembly. All fantastic rights. And then they discount 2A as some strange 18th century anachronism. Nobody seems to make this argument, but it seems to me that the Bill of Rights is a priority list with a meaningful hierarchy of rights. The most sacred are at the top and the lesser ones fall into line. 2A is right up near the top of the list. Its an important right. A standing army is not provided for in the Constitution. The RKBA is. We have evolved quasi-permanent police forces and a standing military in the last 100 years that were not envisioned by the framers.

Our job is to explain to liberals that they are bargaining away their own rights in exchange for an illusion of more security. They think they have an absolute right to safety, and they get really freaked out when the reality of an arbitrary, capricious, and dangerous world occasionally touches their comfortable lives. We need to tell them that the vast majority of the general public is sane and responsible and can be trusted with all the rights and responsibilities of citizenship... including the 2A. How do you make them more secure in an urban America that seems to be falling apart? 1. Turn off the TV news. 2. Pay enough taxes so that cities can fix their infrastructures so they don't seem to be falling apart. This stuff is pretty easy when we set aside ideologies and just start fixing what's broken.
 
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Underneath it all I think I hear him saying that is might make sense in the more rural areas but that guns may not be appropriate in the cities. And of course the comparison to vehicle registration and the obvious suggestion in terms of firearms.

I don't like it.
 
For those of you who like to copy stuff and links, on a truncated link
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By the way, I liked his episode with Ted Nugant's BBQ; Bordain shot Tannerite with a full-auto and had a BIG grin on his face.

Bourdain is the only food show I can stand to watch watch: he talks about the people, their country, and how their food fits into their culture and history.

The neighborhood I grew up in, the bad guys had guns illegally and I knew fences and bootleggers well enough to have no confidence in NY style gun control disarming bad guys. But during the 1960 gun control debates I became convinced that gun owners were the untouchables/pariahs of the liberals, we are the people they love to hate and feel superior to, and there was no point in talking with them, they only talk down at you. Bourdain is a refreshing voice in the wilderness even if I don't totally agree with him.
 
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I like AB. Met him once at a book signing. Good to know he is willing to speak his mind.

Btw: His two gangster novels are awesome: A Bone in the Throat, and Gone Bamboo. There's a good shootout in the second one.
 
I like AB and his shows. He's hunted and shot in quite a few of his shows. In one about Texas he visited Uncle Ted. IIRC he ended out his visit shooting a full auto and had the biggest smile on I've ever seen.
 
What Tony and many others don't understand is that every right we have has a down side, they want to pick and choose who may have a weapon and ignore our rights.

They want to ignore the reality that young urban 'utes of a particular demographic are almost completely responsible for most of the violence in the US.

In typical fashion he can trust himself but not others to be responsible gun owners.

Rights aren't handed out by urban weasels, we are born with them, it is unfortunate that many seem to feel this situation unacceptable.
 
Not too shabby for a lefty! There were a few of his comments we could probably nit pick about but I think his point of view wasn't bad especially considering where he's from.

The hog at the end looked tasty too!
 
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