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what do ya'll think about internal locks? personaly i can't stand them. now don't get me wrong i'm all about saftey i beleive a handgun (our long gun for that matter) should never be loaded inless your carrying it for protection. even my house guns are unloaded speedloader or mag beside it. but these internal locks uhhh i mean what if it broke and locked up on you:cuss: you would be standing there with a usless gun:uhoh: and just about all the new guns come with them. so what do ya'll think ?? ever heard of one locking up:eek:
 
a loaded gun with a lock on it works better than an unladed gun with a mag near it! If its not loaded, it cant help you.

As far as locks go, locking on their own is extrodinarily unlikely. Well beyond one in a million!
 
Integral Locks

I have one gun with an integral lock; my H&K USP compact. It’s also my main carry gun. Unfortunately the damn lock is the only thing preventing that weapon from attaining perfection. The design impurity could be easily removed and replaced with the old style lanyard attachment, which was what I originally planed to do. However if I ever had to use it (after I had made it less safe) to defend myself I would be 100% screwed, so I decided against it.

Lets see what Glock decides to do with their new integral lock. So far it’s an option, and that’s the way it should be (I have nothing against these things). But once they or any other company starts deciding for me, and making them standard on all firearms I will no longer be purchasing their products. E mail Glock if you get a chance and let them know what you think. I really like Glock products (have a model 26), and when and if the AW ban ends, I will probably make the Glock 17 my main carry gun in place of the H&K.

Dan
 
As long as they're mechanically and aesthetically invisible (like Springfield's or HK's), I don't really care much one way or the other. It's when they noticeably affect the looks of the gun (Taurus autos and Smith wheelies) that I find them annoying. Getting worked into a huff of moral indignation over locks but being okay with mechanical safeties seems a little contradictory to me. :uhoh:
 
Since I may be the only person on this board that actually LIKES the internal locks I guess I ought to say something. :uhoh:

I have the "Taurus" lock. I like it. I do not use it much but it seems to work fine. Let me give you an example of why I like/use it.

I had to go out of town for a funeral. (850 miles from home). I ended up staying at a relative's house. They have an autistic (sp) son. While he is not considered "responsible" enough to drive, etc.... his mind is *EXTREMELY* sharp in many ways. (For example, give him a "puzzle" of some sort that he has never seen before and he can solve it instantly!)

Anyway, he is curious and very clever about investigating any new "toy"... "object"... etc. Although I slept with my P-32, I locked my Taurus in my suitcase. However, I am still afraid he might get into the suitcase.

After removing the ammo (and locking that in a hidden place) I also engaged the Taurus lock as well as locked the gun in my suitcase and slept with the key and my P-32.

(BTW - no one knew I had either gun. It's just that he tends to "surprise" you sometimes with what he gets into.)
Call me paranoid or call this overkill... I like having the option.

Logistar

(Will this post get me banned from all gun boards??? :scrutiny: )
 
Integral locks are a fact of life in Maryland for new production guns. Like Tamara, I just wish they were asthetically more pleasing - HK & Springfield are model examples whereas could S&W possibly make theirs any uglier?
 
I own one of the 29-8 Mountain Guns that came out last year. I'd rather the lock wasn't there, but it was not ugly enough, in my opinion, to offset the weapons other, more appealing points. The lock has never been engaged and probably won't be engaged at any point, as long as I own it. The key is stored away with the original box.
Its not a big issue to me.
 
I'd rather not have them: I don't use them, they are unattractive, they are an extra point of failure. They are not a feature that would prevent me from buying a gun I otherwise like though. Taurus revolvers are done very nicely in this respect. They are unobtrusive and easily disabled with a little locktite if you are worried about accidental actuation.
 
Guns are like cars. The more complicated the design, the more that can go wrong with them.

Personally, I don't like them. All the safety necessary is between the ears anyway.

Wes
 
I wish I could tow the party line on this, but it is such a non-issue!!

If you don't like the lock, don't use them. It is as simple as that. If anyone had their gun fail because the intergral lock was not functioning properly I am sure we would hear about. Since none of us have heard about a IL failing I am sure we can assume they are reliable.
 
Bought a SA 1911 with an integral lock a couple years ago. Had a gunsmith friend replace the unit with conventional parts while he was doing a trigger job and some other work on it. I'd probably be about as happy with the lock still there. Really is a non-issue.
 
The only one I have is a Springfield with the ILS. It is truly invisible. I have activated it three times. The first was to see if it worked when I brought the pistol home. The second and third times were before it was sitting in the safe while I was on vacation. I figured I could lock this pistol while I was out of town, so why not?

The ILS has never activated on its own, and given how mechanically simple it is, I fail to see how it could spontaneously engage. I just don't think about it, because there is no reason to unless I want to lock that pistol. I'd buy another Springer without a moment's hesitation over the ILS.

The Smiths OTOH, have the ugliest lock I have yet seen and I can't understand how anyone could not think about it. It is like a facial wart with a hair growing out of it when compared against even the Taurus revolvers' locks.
 
Unfortunately, the Bersa Thunder .380 (and other Bersas) now all come with internal locks.

It doesn't take much lurking around here to see that these are good guns though. I wish my Bersa Thunder .380 didn't have the internal lock, but I just leave it in the 'Fire' position all the time and try my best to ignore it.

Cheers,
ChickenHawk
 
As MrPink says, in MD the choice is simple. Get a new gun with a lock or not get a new gun. For now, there are plenty of used (pre-2003) guns around, but the new ones will have to have locks. What is irritating is that most gun companies are making ZERO effort to put on locks, and have just written off MD completely.

Colt and Ruger just don't give a damn about selling guns in this state. Colt never even complied with the fired case law for MD, though I am told they do for NY. (Yes, I know it's useless, and even the state police now admit it, but it is the law.)

With 1911 types, and Glocks, the dealer can install the locks, but we have no new SAA type guns that can be sold here.

Jim
 
Hmmmmmmmm is that what that thing is on my Bersa Thunder 380. I thought Bersa was giving me some kind of charm for a charm braclet so I threw it away as I don't wear them. Now you people tell me it was a 'KEY'. I sure hope I don't need to lock it up from myself :banghead:
 
I will not buy guns with non-removable key locks. The reasons are simple. I don't want the stupid things.
So any company that's puts them on their guns in a way I can't get rid of them, looses my business.

I'll buy used.


Joe
 
I will not have guns with locks on them. I will only buy a gun that has a lock, if I can easily replace it with original parts. If I can't get parts to replace the locks, I will not buy them.

I have a small supply of non-lock HK lanyard loop insert blocks (they were hard to get), replacement Rem. 700 bolt parts, etc. I won't buy any new Smith, because of their locks. Not only did Smith make a poor decision in putting a lock on their revolvers, but they added insult to injury by making them about the ugliest lock I've seen on a gun.

Fortunately, some companies are coming to their senses about these lawyer devices. Remington is discontinuing the locks on their rifles and shotguns and Sako is making the locks on their rifles an option-only.

Steve
 
As an inmate in the eastern socialist realm of Maryland,
i can only buy a new handgun with an internal lock
AND a manufacturer provided ballistic sample casing

Lets see
that means there are about 6 new pistols available

no Berettas no Rugers no CZs no fun
 
I was thinking about buying a new Bersa to shoot up some .380 ammo.
I never gave a thought to it having a politically correct internal lock.

As someone said earlier, I won't have one in my house.


I'm sorry for you Marylanders.
I excaped from The People's Republic of Maryland in 66.;)
 
I will do everything in my power to NOT buy a gun with a lock built into it.

If that meant buying another maker's gun then so be it.

Unless it's a law I don't know why they are doing it.
 
Key locks, safety gadgets, action modifications, extra heavy trigger pulls, warning labels, will not stop law suits.

If it did Ruger would not have been sued for anything since the NM's and the warnings were started.

I agree with tiberius, we need that legislation to stop these suits. But we need complete legal system reform as much if not more than the law protection gun makers.

Joe
 
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