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What that has to do with anything, I have no idea. My life, nor any of the details thereof, are not Caesar's
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What it has to do is that much like the Jews in Rome, we, those who value our freedom, are being oppresed by our government. The oppression the Jews faced was different and worse, but the oppresion, based upon religion then, and conservative constitutional rights ideology now, is the parallel. I cited that passage of many of Christ's teachings that are, to paraphrase, God has placed all rulers in position of authority and by submitting to their authority we are submitting to God's authority. That is my reasoning behind my response; the opinion given since it was solicited.

I also understand the right to privacy. However, we are bound by law to answer the survey honestly. Right, wrong, uncomfortable or not, answer it honestly. Now, if I had a civil rights attorney that I didn't have to pay (can't afford it) and I had intentions of legal challenges, then I would not answer, but respond with my reasoning - it's none of their business - for why not. In my circumstances I would answer it honsetly. I don't like the survey, but I'm in no position to refuse it as an act of civil disobedience.

I will now attempt to reconcile my seemingly contradictoty stands of advocating submitting to authority while also advocating civil disobedience. Jesus also challenged many authorities, but only when he was in position to do so. I'm not in a position to challenge the authority behind that survey, so for now, I would answer honestly and return it. If I was in a position to make legal challenge to the survey I would evaluate it as an option. The evaluation will include aquiring legal concil and much time in prayer and reflection as to what course to take. If after getting such legal council, and after prayerful consideration, I felt it was absolutely best to undertake a legal challenge then I absolutely would.

That is my reasoning as a Christian. Were I not a Christian my thought process would be different. I am intersted to read others thoughts and how their religion/values/beliefs influenced them. I offer my perspective honestly in hopes that others will just as openly share theirs.
 
Study used census information for terror profile

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20040118-114335-2930r.htm

The NASA study highlights concerns among civil-liberties advocates that the government is gathering private information and even using its own data — contrary to repeated official assurances from the Census Bureau — to develop a data-mining system to prescreen all airline passengers.

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Data provided by the U.S. Census Bureau came from respondents to the 1990 census and included "information on both households and individuals," the NASA study said.
The NASA experiment used 5 million census records from each of two data sets it created, "one that stores household records and another that stores person records."
The Census Bureau's Web site says it protects confidentiality "through disclosure-information techniques."
However, Mr. Steinhardt, who sits on the Census Advisory Committee, said releasing information on households and individuals is "a major breach of trust."
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This is not only unconstitutional. Not only wrong legally.

It is morally wrong.

I will either not answer it, or I will lie on almost every question.

The government has no right to know anything about me. Because I vote, and consider representational #s to be important, I will honestly admit to myself and the other person here with me. Past that, I will not answer a single question honestly.

P.S.

I don't want to stomp on any feet out there, but in saying Caesar's things are Caesar's Jesus wasn't saying "pay your taxes." (which the Catholic chuirch, and midieval lords told everyone), instead, there was a debate in Jewish circles at the time as to if it was okay to use Roman money because it declared Caesar to be god, and we Jews have been told to not worship a graven image, which the coins definetely were.

Jesus was saying, "Don't use the Roman money. It has his face on it, let people who worship him use it."

He was suggesting Jews have their own system of trade, and currency.

(Perhaps all of us in the U.S. could take a lesson from him. Hey, to lots of you here, he's not only a man, he's god)
 
The last time I got a census, I answered the question "how many people live there?", and left the rest of it blank, and mailed it back.

As noted by a previous poster, the Constitution does provide for a census to count bodies, so that each state is assigned a proper number of Representatives in Congress. That's proper. Everything else is none of their d____d business.
 
The U.S. Census Bureau may use this information only for statistical purposes.
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Since they are certifying that they won't use it for criminal prosecution, taking the fifth is not a defense.


Even if it wasn't the law, I probably would have no problem answering it.

BTW, mail does periodically get lost, even in America:evil:
 
I work for a government agency who’s very existence is tied into surveys. However, it’s not the one the thread was stated about. Do not just throw it away, be sure to shred it.

Most surveys the government conducts are strictly voluntary and they rarely enforce the ones that are mandatory.
 
art, you're forgetting something... we're just another pisspot despot regime now.

as far as the gov is concerned, the burden of proof is on the citizen to prove it wasn't received.

we don't need no stinkin civil liberties when there are TERRARISTS!! out there
 
Survey?
What survey?
Never received any letter.
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Nice try, but...

They send (at least) an announcement note, survey, reminder, and replacment/second survey.

Then the calls start, so they can try to do it over the phone.

Then they start coming by in person. If the ancedotal evidence is to be believed, they will go so far as to put your house under surveillance.

In 2004, the national reponse rate was 93%, (See http://www.census.gov/acs/www/UseData/sse/res/04.htm, ) and they are seeking additional funding to increase the number of personal visits.

Speculation: the fine amount was raised to cover the cost of those additional visits.

My conclusion: We're on track for "survey evasion" to be treated as seriously as tax evasion Real Soon Now ©.

Is this my biggest concern? Nah. And really, my tinfoil hat's not all that tight. But it is another straw, and the camel is already looking stressed...
 
loophole

Get someone who is under 18 to fold, spindle, or mutilate the survery?

In my neighborhood giving it to a 5 year old and telling them to take good care of it would almost certain result in its quick destruction, :).

dzimmerm
 
Does the form lack a valid OMB control number like the IRS 1040 does? If so, penalties cannot be enforced for not responding to the request for information, ala the Paperwork Reduction Act.
 
Honestly, I can't recall ever receiving one of these --guess my gov't file
is thick enough already. :)

ugararguy --understand your position, but how would Mt 20:25-28 and
Mt 21:23-27 figure into it? Open religious discussions here make the mods
nervous, so please feel free to PM me. Thanks.
 
If you don't participate in surveys, then you can't complain about decisions

There are various opinions on answering surveys. My opinion is based on the fact that the government uses research from surveys to make government decisions; that's why the National Do Not Call list applies to telemarketing, but not to true telephone surveys. Not answering surveys isn't quite the same as, but is similar to if you don't go out and vote. If you don't answer surveys, then you can't gripe and complain when they make decisions based on research that doesn't reflect your opinions. Where do you think they get results such as the Gallup polls?

Questions included in surveys such as race, age, size of house, are there because sometimes peoples' answers will vary accordingly and researchers are trying to classify responses based on categories so it's not all globed together. Sometimes they include those demographic questions because they suspect that answers will vary according to those demographics. At the beginning of surveys they'll often say something like "All of your responses are strictly confidential." Finding patterns based on categories of people is something that those who have taken upper level statistics classes should know. I don't think any surveys should be mandatory and anyone has the right to participate or refuse a survey, it's just that I do surveys because then my opinion will be included in public services/goods and public policy. That's just my take on it after taking classes on statistics and working for a survey center for a little while.
 
SB88LX said:
Does the form lack a valid OMB control number like the IRS 1040 does? If so, penalties cannot be enforced for not responding to the request for information, ala the Paperwork Reduction Act.
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It sure does have it, right on the first page (according to the sample linked above).

guywithquestions said:
it's just that I do surveys because then my opinion will be included in public services/goods and public policy.
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Normally, I would agree with you, but again according to the sample, there doesn't seem to be any opinion questions on it.
 
Normally, I would agree with you, but again according to the sample, there doesn't seem to be any opinion questions on it.
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When I used to work at the survey place, the majority of all questions on the various surveys, government/political/market research, were not opinion questions. They were more "fact" questions. For example, what electrical provider do you use. A certain cell phone company had us do a survey with their own customers where we asked them how many people are on their account and what their ages were. The survey didn't make sense to me but they said that they were using it to improve their services for their customers. Other surveys have questions like do you own a firearm, or do you live in an apartment, private home, etc. Many government agencies use the results from surveys, even non-opinion questions, in making policy. That's one of the main reasons why they won't pass a law to make the Do Not Call List apply to telephone surveys.
 
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