Irons...who uses 'em?

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An acquaintance of mine can do this with a scope:

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Yes, that's 10.597" at 1205 yards with a 308 Winchester load!

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Verification of 100 yard zero

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The guns!
 
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I'm sorry, I don't understand your picture at all, Tom.


What I'm seeing is someone who missed a target, or got shots to the arm, please explain?
 
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15 rounds, 100 yrds off the bench.

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50 shots, 100 yrds, off the bench.

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50 shots, 100 yrds off the bench.

I still like irons for shooting but as I get older I see the logic is scopes as the progressive lenses on the glasses get worse. Too bad my range won't let us shoot position.
 
None of my rifles, pistols or shot gun have optical sights.
The shotgun does have a fiber optic pip for the bead.
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In my case, in last years my vision got deteriorated badly, (I'm 53 yo) not diabetic, 5'8", 169 lbs, run 3 mi twice a week at least, along with daily push up and sit ups (+/- 230), and karate classes. In other words, physically fit.
However, my eyes aren't following. I need scopes, some of my rifles have glass, some others not. M1-A doesn't, FAL will never, neither my surplus rifles.
The AR-15 has a red dot that by surprise help me in my AR carbine matches and I've got used to. Also I'm building other with larger barrel 20" to have a 1x4x20 mm or similar.
Nevertheless, always at the time of buying a new rifle, if it doesn't have an iron sights go to another brand.

Henry,
FL
 
I shot this 10 round group with a .22 and bulk ammo this morning at 203 yards using the factory peep sights. This was my first experince with peeps in my life. I understand now how they can be pretty accurate.




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I guess i'm something of a Neo-Neanderthal. I'm not that old, but I've got a definite preference for irons. Of course, that probably has something to do with the fact that my shooting background is mostly cowboy action. I'm learning telescope shooting now, but I've probably shot a thousand rounds or more with irons for every one I've fired with a scope.

On my cowboy rifles, I use a brass bead front, with a flat top rear. That's worlds better than a semi-buckhorn, which as near as I can tell was invented to see how much of the target you could block out and still shoot at it. Some cowboys use a full buckhorn, with the horns slimmed a bit, as a sort of pseudo ghost ring. It seems to work at CAS distances, but it's lacking in precision, I think.

Outside of CAS, I'm fond of peep and post for general work. It's too bad receiver sights are against the rules. That'd be awesome. For long ranges, a double aperture, aka a globe front sight, is the king of irons.
 
Do I use 'em?

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Of course I do, and these are some of the best :)

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i use irons whenever possible. reason: good glass is expensive, and most guns i fire just DESTROY cheap scopes.
with a mosin t53 i can nail the top part of a bowling pin at ~250 yards most of the time (when my glasses are one straight) with a smith-sights peep and (very loose/shakey) benchrest. same goes with my sks off hand with factory irons at 100. thinking of getting a peep for that too. or a 400m posp, although when including the side mount those cost more than my sks did
 
and Neanderthals like me should grunt our way back into the caves?

Just be sure to pick up the spears on the way back to the cave (LOL)

Just kidding.

First thing I do after purchasing a new rifle is order a set of dies, the second thing I do is order a scope for it. Only firearms I own without an optic on it is my pistols.

Jim

100 yard 5 shot group with 130 grain SST in 270 Winchester. I could not do that with open sights if my life depended on it.

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Hunting, I don't mind using irons. I actually like them. I hate adding 17oz to a rifle just for a scope that stays on its lowest power anyway.

Self-defense rifles have red dots as primary, though.
 
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