Is 2A eventually doomed?

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Not Just the 2nd Amend

Has there ever been a Supreme Court case alleging a Second Amendment Right to personally keep and bear arms prove successful.

Consider this....if one understands the English language, the Second Amendment of The Constitution of the United States of America states, “A well regulated Militia …shall not be infringed.” Through the use of a ‘comma phrase’ the amendment also recognizes that such a Militia is “necessary to the security of a free State” and it so recognizes, “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms”. But, what is being stated about the right of the people to keep and bear Arms? Is it that it shall not be infringed at all or is it that the right is intrinsic to, “A well regulated Militia”? Perhaps that, as a matter of English language rules, the function of such ‘comma phrase’ structure sets the meaning to be the latter. Therefore, “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms” is intrinsic to the necessity of the existence of such a Militia. This is why the United States Supreme Court rulings are consistent in that the Second Amendment secured right is relevant only to the necessary existence of the Militia. Therefore, when a person stands to proclaim that they have a right to keep and bear Arms not recognizing the related Militia necessity, they most often lose their case.

It is not to say that the private Right to keep and bear Arms is not protected. Some have argued that the Right is not necessarily stated in the Second Amendment. That right is reserved from governmental control in the Ninth and Tenth Amendments. Further, if one were to go back to the notes of the First Congress’ deliberations on the Second Amendment one would find that initially the Amendment was written to include such personal Arms rights but the Delegates determined that if they mentioned those rights eventually they would get legislatively controlled. They chose to change the Second Amendment to exclude mentioning such private rights thereby excluding them wholly from governmental legislative control by leaving them under the blanket protection of the Ninth Amendment.

Regardless of amendment or article....everyone has the right to LIFE! By any means necessary!!:scrutiny:
 
eltorrente wrote:
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the founding fathers i believe wanted the people to be able to live free
Yeah, they did. Except black people, of course, because many of them owned some.

Um, go read some history. A currently popular volume would be Bennett, America the Last Best Hope, Vol. 1, pp122-125. The original U.S. Constitution was written very much to encourage emancipation. A specific quote, attributed to (ex-slave) Mr. Frederick Douglas, "Now, take the constitution according to its plain reading, and I defy the presentation of a single proslavery clause in it. On the other hand it will be found to contain principles and purposes, entirely hostile to the existence of slavery."

In other words, yes the founding fathers did intend everyone to live free. Sorry everyone for feeding the troll.
 
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The feds are watching, and I am not safe. The disclaimer is there in the somewhat forlorn hope that if that post attracts any unwanted attention, I might actually see the inside of a courtroom... instead of disappearing. "Safe" is having a government that allows this kind of talk without "disappearing" people. I suppose this is as good a test case as any. If I all of a sudden stop posting after this, you'll know what happened.
 
A right is a right, not a privilege.
slimslam, This from Michigan.
§ 6 Bearing of arms.

Sec. 6.

Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state.
What it says and what they do are 2 different things.
 
Yeah...who's the well regulated militia?

Hmmm "we the people"...... does it it mean we should all be well governed?

F*CK NO!

Why don't they get it?!, f*ckin evil politicians!!!:banghead::fire::cuss:
 
What happens when the USSC rules private ownership is not the intent of the 2nd?

I'm assuming it would quickly be the law of the land. I would think it was a bad law, but none the less, once it was a law, what do you do? we have a system in place in this country. The system usually works quite well. I can probably cite about twenty laws I'm not happy about, but they are the law. I try to stay within the scope of those laws. Just idle musings.
 
Yeah...who's the well regulated militia?

Hmmm "we the people"......

You are correct. From US Code:

The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

Short Translation: All able bodied men between 17 and 45. Additionally all able bodied women who are members of the National Guard.

Personally I think this should be re-written to read all able bodied citizens regardless of gender between the ages of 17 to 65. Equal rights and all that.
 
You guys are giving up on the political process way too quickly.

This thread is becoming as useful as a Zombie or Mall Ninja thread (but at least Mall Ninja threads can provide comedy relief).
 
I agree

pcosmar..

I'm from MI also...I understand and agree 100% the difference between rights and privileges. Most people and especially our elected government does not. Unfortunately, our rights are eroding into privileges.....unless we are able to get Ron Paul nominated and elected in our corrupt system. :(
 
Um, go read some history. A currently popular volume would be Bennett, America the Last Best Hope, Vol. 1, pp122-125. The original U.S. Constitution was written very much to encourage emancipation. A specific quote, attributed to (ex-slave) Mr. Frederick Douglas, "Now, take the constitution according to its plain reading, and I defy the presentation of a single proslavery clause in it. On the other hand it will be found to contain principles and purposes, entirely hostile to the existence of slavery."

In other words, yes the founding fathers did intend everyone to live free. Sorry everyone for feeding the troll.

I know what it says. I'm just pointing out the fact that they were slave owners on one hand, yet concerned with living free and under no oppression on the other. It's an interesting dynamic.

I'm not a troll, but apparantly some of you think that's my intention because I don't see things as cut-and-dry as many of you. I'm amused by the Johnny Reb mentality of some of the people here. I understand why people are mad by certain laws and restrictions, but I don't agree at all with much of the anti-government stance and all the doom and gloom.
 
I'm not a troll, but apparantly some of you think that's my intention because I don't see things as cut-and-dry as many of you. I'm amused by the Johnny Reb mentality of some of the people here. I understand why people are mad by certain laws and restrictions, but I don't agree at all with much of the anti-government stance and all the doom and gloom.

You must be new here :)
 
I think when humanity spreads into space someday, induhviduals will have many more choices of how they want to live. I suspect society on Mars is going to be very libertarian. I suspect society on Earth will be socialist in the future. Maybe the best bet will be the lunar bases...
 
Heh, yeah - but I'm starting to understand

Dont worry.. I'm with you.. :)

This might sound crazy, but I think A lot of people here worship the founding fathers and The Constitution in the way that people worship Jesus Christ and follow the bible. In their eyes, the founding fathers had everything figured out and what was written 200 years ago is the gospel.

Personally, I think the founding fathers has some great ideas, but the fact that some of these liberty-loving individuals owned slaves shows they didnt have everything totally figured out.
 
the founding fathers had everything figured out and what was written 200 years ago is the gospel.
You mean that Kool-Aid had something in it? :)

And now on to my .02 on the topic at hand: I would say that during the '80s and '90s the 2nd Amendment was in trouble. That was because the media was hostile and the control of it was firmly in the hands of anti-gun journalists. They firmly controlled the debate and could get away with all kinds of propagandizing. The Internet has cost the gun control movement a lot of support by allowing pro-gun arguments to be heard and providing communities for gun owners to network, mobilize, and share information. The "quality" of anti-gun debate on the Internet is mostly name-calling and unbalanced ranting which helps too.
 
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