Is a Spikes AR $200 better than a S&W M&P Sport?

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what are your other 3 ar's?

1 is a BCM light weight middy upper on RRA lower with Geiselle trigger.
1 is a Armalite
1 is a frankenrifle. It has a spikes upper with YHM diamond fluted 20" barrel, BCM bolt, RRA lower consecutive numbered lower to my SBR, VTAC FF tube, you get the picture.

The 20" rifle with the spikes upper and BCM bolt is nice and smooth. So that makes me wonder if its a bolt issue. I'm gonna swap the carriers around when I get home to see if I can isolate the problem.
 
For what it's worth, my Spikes M4 LE complete upper (16" carbine with 9" BAR quadrail) has been 100% reliable though 1000s of rounds. I have it on a PSA lower I built myself.

I also did not have to suffer a ridiculous wait for it - found it for sale at an online dealer.
 
From what I read, most of the derogatory comments about the S&W focus on the price - as if it was somehow immoral to provide a quality firearm for less.

In regards to the barrel, a rather long thread on M4Carbine pretty much revealed links and data showing the average nitrocarburized barrel to have superior corrosion and longevity. If anything, nitriding a carbon steel barrel gives you the accuracy and corrosion resistance of stainless, without the price. Nitriding it means the barrel is rifled to finish spec and then treated, with a final finish included in the operation. No overboring and then hopefully plating back to an inconsistent wavy bore, and the cost is much less. Hazmat has just about killed the chroming industry in America, all that bling on cars is vapor deposited aluminum on plastic.

Don't forget, Stoner didn't put the FA on the original upper, it was a generation of Army Command raised on Garands that forced Colt to include it. Most other battle rifles to this day don't use a ejection port cover, it's really part of the myth of the tightly fitted design getting jammed up that justifies it in some minds. In that regard, what about the Garand? That bolt is very much exposed, and so is the op rod, which can hang up in door jambs or against vehicles, etc, when supported.

For a civilian range gun, or for hunting, neither Spikes or S&W really need either feature. They aren't duty guns or issued. While a case could be made for Spike's meeting milspec in more areas, that's not necessarily better - as in the case of Chrome vs. nitride. It's just .Gov spec, and a slow moving bureaucracy will change it as they see fit. The M203 barrel cuts are NOT spec anymore, yet the market still sells them as if they are.

It's been noted Colt quoted less than $600 on contract M4's the last bid, don't automatically assume price is an indicator of quality. Within reason, yes, but in the AR market, Spike's has been knocking that old chestnut in the head for years. No reason that S&W can't do it too, they are a large and well organized company who's made firearms a long time and understand getting volume discounts and marketing the product.

Typical retail mark up is double - if I pay $1000 for the parts to build an AR, what was the ORIGINAL cost of manufacture, especially when a company can make the barrels for less than retail? AR barrels can be had for less than $100 - did they cost the company less than $50? It's entirely possible, and it's NOT rocket science to assemble an AR. I have a blem upper LAR retailed to me for $48, and they claim they sell them near cost to dispose of them when they do. Palmetto can retail a lower for $50 - cost?

S&W can sell the Sport for $599 with a nitrided barrel and no FA/port cover? Bargain of the year, cheaper than building one, and a lot better than many give it credit.
 
looking at the infamous "chart" the spikes honestly looks like the best deal going right now in the m4 class.

better than d.d., noveske, and lmt in several columns, but trailing them in none. (going on the assumption that colt is the golden standard, which ive heard fanatically stated)

i did not know this. for instance:

1. spikes h.p.t. tests every bolt, while noveske tests none
2. spikes uses a #5 extractor spring (like colt), while d.d. uses a #3, and noveski a #4.
3. spikes uses an m16 carrier, while lmt uses an ar15 carrier.
4. spikes has double heat shields, while d.d. has only a single heat shield

not sure what to make of d.d. high pressure testing of barrels and bolts. the brands that do test them, all provide the means by which it is performed, but in daniel defense's case, it just says "other"

all others use an m197 round or saami equivalent, so im not sure what "other" means.

at any rate, i didnt know that spikes did all that, and i dont see how they do at such a lower price point than the others (that dont even stack up as well)

if i were buying a new m4gery, and cared about how they stack up on the chart, its hard to argue against spikes.
 
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The Sport is better than the standard offerings from the following companies, and I've listed the reasons...

Yep. Comparing the S&W Sport to comparably priced offerings it usually comes out on top. Problem is most start the whole, "well if you spend $200 more..." argument. Of course you look at the $700-800 range guns and the discussion usually goes the same with a lot of folks saying the same +$200 BS.

At any rate, I picked up the M&P after finding it on sale under $600OTD. Since picking it up most everything I have seen or read on it is positive. It has a very low complaint rate with reviewers (both pro and forum users). Mine has not had any issues in the initial 200rd. For my casual use the S&W Sport is great. Maybe for someone who plans to go through bulk ammo by the 1,000's there are better choices. But I have other calibers to feed and a limited budget.
 
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