Is all that ammo necessary?

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Most times I carry my LCR with either two speed strips or two speed loaders.
That makes for 15 rounds. In the summer if I carry my LCP I carry one spare mag for a total of 12 rounds.
 
i usually carry one spare mag- but as this came up in a few posts, I'll weigh in on lights.

I would trade a spare mag for a flashlight any day. I use my flashlight constantly- and would much rather go without spare ammo than the light.

I usually carry a LW commander- so i'm talking 16 rounds with my spare. sometimes a jframe with 6 spare rounds in a dump pouch.
 
I believe the average is somewhere around three shots for defensive gun usage. With this in mind I have almost exclusively switched to slim single stack guns for concealed carry (much more comfortable). I carry and extra mag and don't feel under-guned at all, unless I was trying to free some hostages from a group of bad guys, or something way out there.
 
If I carry my 9mm(sig225) I carry one extra mag. 17 shots total, I feel very well armed. If I carry my 642 I have a speedstrip in my pocket. 10 shots. I know lots of guys that have the wonder nines and 2 or 3 extra mags. I have always wondered(never asked) if the have there wifes carry a box of ammo in there purse? I have enough confidence in my shooting ability to feel a need for only one reload. Some guys who carry 45's only carry one extra mag. they have confidence in there choice to be happy with one reload.
I don't feel a need to carry 50 rounds or more to be protected. I asked a LEO buddy of mine if he felt like he needed 3 extra mags for his glock, He told me, Unlike you I have to put my self in a place were I may need lots of shots.
But it is unlikly that I will ever have to need that many, but I have them!
But he also has a AR in the trunk and a 870 on the dash. Plus a radio to call the calvery. I don't like all the extra's on my belt or in my pockets.
And thats just me.
 
Your reasoning implies that it is pointless to carry a gun at all. After all, if you're being beaten to death and you produce a gun to fend off your attackers, they may end up shooting you. Why escalate the situation by producing a gun? Just take your beating like a man and don't risk being shot back at. Is it better to be killed by hammer blows to the head than risk being shot?
That is quite a stretch for you to have come up with that implication. Do you really think anybody would come to a gun forum with that mindset? Point is, no one should feel safe and go blazing into any situation just because he's got a truck full of firepower.

We all have choices - even if some folks convince themselves they don't.

Every person is responsible for his/her own risk management. If you decide yours is best managed by wearing 6 lbs of hollow points all day long, then by all means... there is no law against that. It's easy to feel 8ft-tall full-of-muscle packing that much heat, but being over-confident will allow youself to walk into trouble, which you would otherwise wisely avoid.

Conceal carry of firearms is but one tool for personal risk management. Don't make it your ONLY tool.

Post-Hurricane Andrew there was absolutely NO communications for us at ground zero. Society in that area was broken down. Thieves and other miscreants had their way and if you were not prepared you were a sheep waiting for slaughter.
No different than post-Hurricane Ike. 99+% of Houston had no electricity. Plenty of folks were out trying to get ice, gas, and food - bitching & moaning on TV about their dire situation. I had my generator up and running within 2hours of black out (at 3am) - running my two refrigerators, a room A/C, lights around the house, and my home threater. We were watching the new and bluray movies in HD and eating icescream the next morning.

Preparation is key.

No reason for me to leave home and expose myself to danger. And at home... I got ammo.:cool:
 
I carry a spare magazine because, why not?

As Jeff Cooper used to say, "There is such thing as enough ammunition. And there is such a thing as not enough ammunition. There is no such thing as too much ammunition."
 
If you decide yours is best managed by wearing 6 lbs of hollow points all day long, then by all means... there is no law against that. It's easy to feel 8ft-tall full-of-muscle packing that much heat, but being over-confident will allow youself to walk into trouble, which you would otherwise wisely avoid.
Whose stretching now Volfy?

We're not getting anywhere because you obviously are not reading my posts thoroughly and it's pointless to talk in circles. If a person working or living or traveling through a high risk environment (and not having the luxury of sitting home eating ice cream) sees fit to carry a high cap handgun and maybe a spare magazine, it's silly to disparage that person for his choice in preparing for what may come. You see to be judging others according to your own bias while having zero knowledge of others personal circumstances which are probably different from yours.

No different than post-Hurricane Ike.
Sorry bro, you weren't there. It sounds like you were just without electricity and not in a neighborhood with pancaked homes with no roofs and wandering gangs stealing cars and whatever else they felt like. Again, you are making an argument from a personal bias taking no consideration that others circumstances are different from yours.
 
Vonderek, I believe we both agree on fundamental #1:

One should carry firearm + ammo appropriate for the circumstances.

Where we do differ, though is whether fundamental #2 is true:

The circumstances in which we find ourselves is within our individual control.

You don't seems to believe this is true. I do.

The fact that I faired better in a Hurricane than the next person isn't entirely God's Will or pure happenstance. It is largely the outcome of decisions a person makes - both long term and short term.

We all believe that we should hope for the best and prepare for the worst. I happen to believe too, that the better we are prepared, the less we have to worry about the worst.
 
Post #20, Lone Haranguer:
I had read each of those before, but I went back and read both again. Thank you for posting those links.

One thing I note was that The Marine shot to slide lock, had difficulty retreiving his spare mag, and said afterward that he had totally forgotten that he was carrrying a BUG. I think there is a lesson in there somewhere...or maybe I am just validating my own chioce to forego a BUG. :)

Anyway, great read, and great discussion.
 
When you reach the point that you are carrying so much ammo that you have a hard time concealing it, it weighs so much that you dread leaving the house and you stop carrying then you have too much. Depending on the climate and your clothing it can be hard enough just carrying a handgun without a ton of extra ammo.
 
When you rely on yourself instead of the gun, you'll realize that a 5-6 shot revolver or a 7 round semi-auto is more than enough for any non-LEO/military usage.

Of course they both carry at least two reloads

FWIW I carry 1 spare magazine
 
In my case, one round stopped an attacking dog, a round of 9x19. I carry revolvers a lot. For convenience, I carry two speed strips anymore. Speedloaders are a pain to carry in a pocket and I've got enough crap on my belt. I always have some sort of back up, too. I don't worry about enough ammo.
 
The rational some people have of such a discussion can be quite interesting. If not, down right funny. I figured i'd ask a few people I work with how much they believe they should carry. Mind you, the vast majority of people where I live have a much different opinion of guns. However, as with ALL discussions, I knew it would evolve into something else. And here's the evolution.

Positions:
1. Carry whatever the gun has in it. e.g. revolver 5-6 and semi whatever.
2. Carry whatever the gun has, plus 1 additional speed load or magazine.
3. One group saying; well, if you're going to have that revolver, 1911 with 7 rounds, or other <10 round pistol, plus an additional magazine; why not just have a 15+ round type of pistol, and not worry about the 2nd magazine.
4. Response is: Why then not just have a 15+ round pistol with another magazine as backup; now you have 30 rounds.

When the dust settled in the discussion, the consensus was. (And this is among about 7 people who have also lived in large cities, military service, etc...). In other words, not just some rural hicks with no understanding of the "REAL WORLD" that some people think most of wyoming, montana, idaho, etc... are.

1. Whatever the gun comes with, is more than enough. (Because the gun is the LAST means of defense).
2. A 2nd magazine is totally legitimate in case there is a mechanical problem with the first magazine. HOWEVER: Everyone agreed that if you got the 1st round off, which chances are you would, and had a jam, feed, etc... issue; A) Bad guy probably left running or is dead from the 1st shot or B) You'd probably try automatically racking the slide to clear the stovepipe, jam, etc... before dropping the mag and reaching for another magazine. and C) If you DID have to reach for a 2nd magazine, because of all the problems with the first one; then you're probably in a lot of trouble, because the bad guy is going to be on your a$$. You're not going to have that kind of time.

So basically, the only reason we could think of a 2nd magazine was if the 1st one had issues. But if the 1st one had issues, then you're screwed with trying to re-rack and fix the original one, or deciding to drop it and reach for another mag. So, a revolver is the better choice. Chances of not being able to shoot most/all round in the cylinder is slim to none. But everyone agreed, not that our opinion matters, that an additional magazine isn't needed for the extra rounds. Just for mechanical backup. Additional rounds, meaning more than the original gun capacity, is for the zombie killers, paranoid, and those who don't know reality. So it's not a matter of how many rounds. That's whatever is in the gun you carry. If you like the gun that feels and shoots good, and it happens to have 15+ rounds, that's good. And if you want a backup magazine because the first might fail; that's understandable. But I and many others really doubt that you're going to every get to use that 2nd one if there's a malfunction. You're first instinct after having a malfunction with a magazine fed pistol is not to drop the magazine. It's to try and clear the malfunction by racking it again. I doubt you'll ever get to the 2nd magazine. But apparently, there are some that think they could actually have a need for more than the amount of bullets that the gun original holds. No response for them. They think they could get into a gang shootout or a gun fight, or that hollywood movies is real life. No changing their understanding of reality.
 
Is all that ammo necessary?
Absolutely! Now, what's the question...
Ahh, I would say it's however much you feel comfortable carrying. I like carrying a spare magazine, but that's due to having a spare magazine holder on my holster and feel weird if it's empty. Now my revolver belt has a space for two speedloaders, so that's what I carry.
 
How many of your buddies have ever been in a real fight?
Probably as many as yours. Of the 7, 3 were military and we all spent numerous times in the desert, central america, and other places. But as far as: "Which one of you have had an armed crime against you?" I didn't ask that question. I wouldn't ask: "..... a REAL FIGHT". because this isn't hollywood.
 
No, the bottom line is that mine/our opinion is just as significant as yours is. And don't say "YOUR" as in ME singular, and "WE'RE" as in EVERYONE ELSE. If you read the thread, you'll find probably just as many people who don't carry any extra magazines as you will those who do carry an extra magazine.

But if you feel that you need to have more rounds than the gun holds, have at it. You can carry 4 extra magazines and 2 boxes of ammo in your pocket for all I care. Some people just don't think it's very practical. But if you do, then by all means have at it. Sorry, but it seems that you're actually "Offended" because some people see the threat potential differently than you do.
 
So I'm walking down the street, and, about 100 feet away I see a goblin, who points at me and yells, "You dead, suckah!" and he draws on me.

As there was a handy 55-gal steel drum next to me, I took cover, in one smooth move crouching down behind it and drawing my Glock. I prairie-dogged and saw the perp angling his way toward me, weaving among the parked cars to the left. So I opened fire, letting him have 17 from the 17 with a two-handed grip. Glockie was directing traffic and I was just along for the ride.

When the smoke cleared, it was a surprise to see the goblin still drawing closer (although I did take out quite a bit of automotive glass and car alarms up and down the street were raising quite a racket). He started spraying in my direction - sounded like a .40 but you can never be sure. This was a prudent moment to reload from cover, and thankfully, I had 2 spare magazines at hand...

</fantasy> I guess that could happen, but I bet you're just gonna have to dance with the girl you brought to the party.
 
I don't carry extra reloads as a personal choice, but I certainly won't ridicule one who does. The situation Reginald Denny (LA riot victim) was in could happen in a lot of places.
 
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