Is Anything Legal for Protection in NYC?

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In a few days, I will be on my way to NYC. Is there anything that can be carried on one's person that's both effective as a defensive tool and legal ? I was originally thinking of perhaps a kuboton, though I haven't a clue how to use one, so that's not exactly practical.

I was also looking into those small fixed-blade knives that have a small curved blade resembling a claw and a hole for the index finger, such as this CRKT Kommer Bear Claw:

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Or this comparable economy knife:

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I suppose these would be dandy as defensive slashing tools, but are they legal to carry concealed?
Any ideas?

Thanks in advance!
 
It would probably be wise to check at Packing.org for an overview of the area's rules and regs. before you go. Once you're there, be on the lookout for weapons of opportunity and work on your situational awareness in order to keep from having to do something questionable.

On the other hand, there are a whole lot of "people" around who could care less what the laws say, and have figured out how use them to their advantage in many ways. Many share the idea that "it ain't illegal unless you get caught," so take their chances where they may.

ETA: God luck explaining those evil, killing machines you've got there to the wonderful folks at TSA...
 
FWIW

A baseball or lacrosse ball stuck in the end of a long sock makes a pretty darn good bludgeon.
 
Impact Kerambit, Plastic Karambit type devise can be used for striking and pressure point work. Curved blade easily concealed PS Karambit, lol for sale on forums Accesories. Hint Hint. Smaller ones La Griff's are excellent, be aware some NYC landmarks have Metal detectors, hate to see you lose something or worse. do a search on the Impact Kerambit, have carried one for years as well as live ones. Excellent non detectable self defense apparatus. Most people do not even know what it is when looking at it a +
 
I made it back in one piece. Man, talking about a fish out of water, I've never been more out of my element. I suppose I wouldn't make much of a city dweller.
I ended up taking my old Leatherman multitool as it seemed innocent enough. The only "issue" I had was at the Empire State Building, where it was confiscated upon entering and returned upon leaving... no problem.

NYC seemed a bit less a "den of criminals" as I was expecting, atleast conspicuously so. And I was only there one week. I must admit though that I was half expecting to have to fight my way out of the subways tooth and nail. :eek: Maybe the film Escape from New York wasn't the ideal representation of the city. LOL

Oh yeah, I didn't see any zombies in the subway either. Oh well.
NYC seems a nice place to visit, but I couldn't possibly be paid enough to live there. The hotel was over $200 a night and though it was quite nice, there were many going for quite a bit more. There was also a $20/24hour garage fee for our vehicle, thank God her sister (living in Brooklyn) graciously offered to "borrow" the car for the majority of our visit!
I can't imagine what a fellow in Manhattan would pay for a two bedroom apartment...I shudder to think. I'll stick to my small laid-back town in WNC.

Thanks for all the advice!
 
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Select any of the small Spydercos. Do NOT take a fixed blade! You don't have any excuse for having it as anything other than a weapon in the eyes of NYC. At least with a folder you can point out it's for tool uses.

A locking blade SAK works well for appearing as nothing more than a boy scout tool.

Carry a multitool small enough to act as a fist load. Pack a roll of quarters or nickels or dimes for the same reason.

Only take the tools you know how to use. The most important being your brian. The first rule to self defense is to avoid situations that may put you at risk. Stay in the better parts of the city. Stick to well lit areas at night. Use cabs instead of walking. Use the windows as reflective surfaces to watch your "6". If anyone looks like they're following you change direction and head for an open business even if it means crossing the street and going back the way you came for a block or 2.

NEW YORK CITY LAWS:

Courtesy: Alex Boriqua 11/23/1999
http://home.att.net/~a.boriqua/Recieved_letter.htm

Received from:

Office of the Queens District Attorney of Queens County
Queens criminal Courts Building
125-01 Queens Blvd.
Kew Gardens NY 11415

Cover letter:

As per your request the law strictly prohibits a person from
carrying any type of knife with a blade of 4" or over (Four) in
length. Enclosed is a copy (highlighted) of the statute.

Signed: Mary A. Moris A.D.A



Chap. 1 Public Safety 10-133
Historical Note: Formerly 436-5.1

10-133 Possession of knives or instruments.

A. Legislative findings. It is hereby declared and found that possession in public places, streets and parks of the city, of large knives is a menace to the public health, peace, safety and welfare of the people of the city; that the possession in public places, streets and parks of such knives has resulted in the commission of many homicides, robberies, maimings and assaults of and upon the people of the city; that this condition encourages and fosters the commission of crimes and contributes to juvenile delinquency, youth crime and gangsterism; that unless the possession or carrying in public places, streets and parks of the city of such knives without a lawful purpose is prohibited, there is danger of an increase in crimes of violence and other conditions detrimental to public peace, safety and welfare. It is further declared and found that the wearing or carrying of knives in open view in public places while such knives are not being used for a lawful purpose is unnecessary and threatening to the public and should be prohibited.

B. It shall be unlawful for any person to carry on his or her person or have in such person's possession, in any public place, street or park any knife which has a blade length of four inches or more.

C. It shall be unlawful for any person in a public place, street or park to wear outside of his or her clothing or carry in open view any knife with an exposed or unexposed blade unless such person is actually using suck knife for a lawful purpose as set forth in subdivision d of this section.

D. The provisions of subdivisions b and c of this sections shall not apply to (1) persons in the military service on the state of New York when duly authorized to carry or display knives pursuant to regulations issued by the chief of stall to the governor; (2) police officers and peace officers as defined in the criminal procedure law; (3) participants in special events when authorized by the police commissioner (4) persons on the military or other service of the United States, in pursuit of official duty authorized by federal law; or (5) any person displaying or in possession of a knife otherwise in violation of this section when such a knife (a) is being used for or transported immediately to or from a place where it is used for hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, picnicking or any employment, trade or occupation customarily requiring the use of such knife; or (b) is displayed or carried by a member of a theatrical group, drill team, military or para military unit or veterans organization, to from or during a meeting, parade or other performance or practice for such event, which customarily requires the carrying of suck knife or (c) is being transported directly to or from a place of purchase in such a manner as not to allow easy access to such knife while it is transported; or (d) is displayed or carried by a duly enrolled member of the Boy or Girl scouts of America or similar organization or society and such display or possession is necessary to participate in the activities of such organization or society.

E. Violation of this section shall be an offense punishable by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars or by imprisonment not exceeding fifteen days or by both such fine and imprisonment.


Case notes:
This section promotes a legitimate governmental objective and is not unconstitutionally vague or an improper exercise of the city's police power.------ People v Ortiz 125 Misc. 2d 318 [1984]




10-134 Prohibition on sale of certain knives

A. Legislative findings. It is hereby declared and found that the possession on public places, streets and parks of the city of folding knives which lock upon opening, is a menace to the public health, peace, safety and welfare of the people of the city; that the possession in public places, streets and parks of such knives has resulted in the commission of many homicides, robberies, maimings and assaults of and upon the people of the city, that this condition encourages and fosters the commission of crimes, and contributes to juvenile delinquency, youth crime and gangsterism; that is this situation is not addressed, then there is a danger of an increase in crimes of violence and other conditions detrimental to public peace, safety and welfare. It has been found that folding knives with a blade of four (4) inches or more that locks in an open position are designed and used almost exclusively for the purpose of stabbing or threat thereof. Therefore for the safety of the city, such weapons should be prohibited from sale within the jurisdiction of the city of New York.

B. It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, offer for sale within the jurisdiction of the city of New York any folding knife with a blade length of four or more inches which is so constructed that when it is opened it is locked in an open position and cannot be closed without depressing or moving a release mechanism.

C. Exempt from this section are imported and exporters or merchants who ship or receive locking folding knives, with a blade length of four or more inches, in bulk, which knives are scheduled to travel or have traveled in the course of international, interstate, or intrastate commerce to a point outside the city. Such bulk shipments shall remain in their original shipping package, unopened, except for inspection and possible subdivision for further movement in interstate or intrastate commerce to a point outside the city.

D. Violation of this section shall be an offense punishable by a fine of not more than seven hundred fifty dollars ($750) or by imprisonment not exceeding sixteen days (16) or both such fine and imprisonment. Any person violating this section shall be subject to a civil penalty not to exceed one thousand dollar for each violation.
 
Glad you made it back safe, I don't know what you were expecting lol. You don't see zombie's on the subway till early morning,2-4 am mostly. as I worked the Subways for years. Mostly harmless. never had to fight to get out lmao.Glad you had fun, cars in city are quite expensive garage spots can run $1000 a month plus, then apt. rent man!!! 2 bedroom in nice area $2500 + utilities easy. and good luck finding one. Warned you about the Tourist sites, thats why I recommended the Impact kerambit its Plastic. Come back and see us real soon, and take train into Times Square staion at 2 am all the Zombies you want LOL.
 
As I understood NYC before I visited, possession of a knife with a blade under 4", even if it locks is legal as long as no part of it shows. I didn't bother with a clip and carried a BM Griptilian so I wouldn't flirt with the blade limit using my typical 3.96 inch AFCK.

"Tactical folders" can't be sold in NYC, but they may be discreetly carried if under 4"
 
I can't imagine a cane would be a problem anywhere, even NYC. I've recently upgraded from a plain cane witha hokk to an old Blackthorne walking stick from Ireland. Sometimes these are refered to as shillegleaghs, but really aren't. A little attention to where the nerves come close to the surfance on arms and legs with a cane can be a great deterrent.
 
NYC has beautiful sections and is certainly worth visiting. My aunt used to live in Manhattan so I've been to the city more times than I can count as a child, but less often as an adult. I only felt worried about crime during my one and only overnight stay in 1999 when I went out for NYPD and stayed in a seedy youth hostel on the upper west side. All of my other visits were day trips to Manhattan and the pucker factor was zero.

In 1997 my friends wanted to tour the UN building. I got through security with my Benchmade folder no problem. Somehow I doubt that would happen today.
 
Legal for protection in NYC? The only things that come to mind are puppy dogs and dandelions

Don Gwinn was here.
 
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I didn't see any zombies in the subway either.

That's because the mole-people ate them alive.

That's just crazy talk. Everyone knows the C.H.U.D.s drove the mole-people off of (well, out from under) Manhattan into the outer Boroughs after the Great Subterranean Consolidation War in '03-'04. Nothing left under the streets of Manhattan but rats, C.H.U.D.s and alligators.

Though the rats were rumored to be organizing when I was there in June.... :uhoh:
 
A cane and good boots are probably your best bet...

As mentioned before, a Surefire E2D would also work well.

~tmm
 
Oh, you could probably take Mace into New York City. But they're heavy and the big spikes make them awkward to carry :p
 
What? take my what?

Only take the tools you know how to use. The most important being your brian

How did you know that Brian was a tool? :neener:

Also... You know, handling a good mace, makes you just wanna whack something with it......
 
"...would pay for a two bedroom apartment..." Depends on where in NYC, but a 1 bedroom apt starts at $1150/month and go waaaay up. A 2 bedroom downtown condo will cost you over a million.
 
Eh-em... a STUDIO in a safe for a normal person area of Manhattan is $1350+, 1br $1600+ and a 2br is $2200+

to buy is another story altogether, requiring at lease $650k, then there is monthly "maintenance" fees...

All the good about NY is why I still work there everyday of the week. All the bad, is why I moved riiiight
across the river, where it's not great, but it's cheaper, cleaner, and at least I can own firearms...

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I'd buy a really solid ball point pen, like omaha said. This may sound stupid but its probably the best, legal thing you could carry and never have to worry about. Besides, it will double as a pen.

Something like this:

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Fisher Titanium

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Titanium Mechanical Pencil

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Mont Blanc (for style)

Compared to what may be "legal" in NYC, you may do more damage with this, and theres no permit needed to CCW!
 
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