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Is J & G sales a distributor or retailer?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by TheGewehrGuy, Apr 1, 2011.

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  1. TheGewehrGuy

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    I have always believed that J & G sales is a distributor, if you want something, the deals go down just like gunbroker, but I have never actually bought a gun online.

    So my local preferred gun dealer told me today that they were a distributor and actually got grumpy with me and told me that the price for a VZ-2008 was $525, and that I was looking at dealer cost on J & G's website, which I find hard to believe.

    I normally like that gun shop because the main guy running the show is really fair and actually gave me a couple of free surplus magazines for my AR. Got a guy I never meet today give me a more than rude welcome, not to mention I waited 20 minutes to get a quote that took 5 minutes.
     
  2. Davek1977

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    J&G sales is a retailer, but keep in mind that any guns purchased through them will go through an FFl, which typically means a transfer fee, shipping costs, and possibly state tax depending on how your dealer chooses to handle it. Thus, guns APPEAR considerably cheaper in the online stores, but oftentimes, the real-world cost is quite similar. While JG Sales is indeed a retailer, YOU won't be paying their "retail price" because the listed price doesn't include the "hidden costs" I mentioned. Just because a gun is $399.99 on www.JgSales.com doesn't mean that price is anywhere near the total price after transfers, shipping, and the like. One nice thing about Budsgunshop.com is that shipping on many guns is FREE, eliminating one additional charge.....
     
  3. Gato Montés

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    You buy the gun online for the advertised price and have it sent to your chosen FFL dealer for transfer. There isn't a dealer price and a customer price, it's all the same. What the guy wants to do is purchase the gun and turn around and sell it to you for an inflated markup.

    Don't shop there.
     
  4. Davek1977

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    Nasser, keep in mind the "list' price shown on the website is BEFORE shipping and any applicable taxes. it is also common for FFLs to charge a fee (usually around 20 bucks, but can be as litte as nothing to as much as $50) to handle your order. Therefore, the 'inflated price" the ffl wants to sell the gun at may actually be close to the final sale price when all is said and done. Just becasue you see an VZ-2008 for "$350" (example...no clue as to the current price listed) doesn't mean that $350 will get that rifle out the door of the shop......its a base price before any additional fees are added in, fees that are oftentimes quite legitimate
     
  5. Gato Montés

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    Understood, but this guy isn't talking transfer fees, he's talking buying the gun and turning around and charging the customer an inflated rate. The gun shop does not set the price for J&G's firearms. The customer pays upfront for the gun on J&G's website and, upon transfer, pays the FFL a fee for his services.

    Again, unless there was some sort of mis-communication, don't shop there.
     
  6. earlthegoat2

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    I have bought through J&G as a dealer and they will give an FFL discount sometimes. So if they have something that no one else has I could still buy it at a small discount and then turn around and sell it to the customer at J&Gs price plus a few bucks that could be interpreted as a transfer fee.

    CDNN is the same way.
     
  7. mnrivrat

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    And here, in this question, is the significant change that has taken place in marketing as a result of the internet.

    Want to open up a retail gun shop ? Good luck !!!!

    J&G used to be a distributor for all those who didn't live around Prescott. AZ. Due to the internet, and C&R license, they are now a nation wide retailer.

    Midway and Brownells used to be distributors serving the retail gun/sporting goods stores. Now, all a person has to do is get a cheap C&R license and they ship to you at the distributor price.

    The gun shows took in Beany Baby's and beef jerky to try to stay alive on the dwindling amount of small dealers that used to do the shows. Perhaps the small gun stores will have to include ice cream parlors or burgers and fries, to stay alive.

    Times are a changing.
     
  8. ultradoc

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    I don't believe I have dealt with them but I get their flyer and it looks like they have some neat things.
     
  9. Davek1977

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    You're operating on assumption here. We have no idea what the dealer was actually thinking, or what he meant. he could have just as easy meant that that, after all is said and done, transfers, taxes, and shipping included, thats what the final total cost would be to the consumer if he chose to utilize his shop. Some dealers charge high ffl fees for guns they can normally acquire pretty easily, because they want to encourage the customer to shop with them instead.....In the end, its best to prioce the same item many places, both onl;ine and locally, if possible, and see who can ultimately give you the best deal. Oftentimes, taxes, shipping, and transfer fees can vary the price of a given firearm significantly. "Don't shop there" is poor advice given the lack of information provided. Maybe its the ONLY FFL in the area.....maybe others charge higher transfer fees.....the list of varibales involved is endless, and a blanket "don't shop there" given a complete lack of background on the person's situation and location isn't necessarily good advice IMO.
     
  10. Animal Mother

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    This.

    There will be additional fees, this is true, but what you need to find out from the FFL of your choice is what they charge to transfer the gun, and if the price is agreeable (and it should be $25 or less, much more than that is gouging), then ask them to fax a copy of their FFL to J&G Sales, after this is done, go home and order your gun through J&G and pay them for the gun and shipping (usually around $20 or less) and have them ship your rifle to your FFL of choice. Then wait until the rifle arrives at your dealer, then pay them the transfer fee, and then take possession of the rifle. The only thing the dealer gets is the transfer fee, and you'll have to pay extra to J&G for shipping (and sales tax if you live in AZ or a crappy state like NY). So you could be looking at $360+25+20= $405. I've done this lots of times and that's it and that's all.
     
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    To me that sounds a lot like...

    Hey TheGewehrGuy, the only thing you need to pay to that gun shop is the agreed fee for transfer, which as Davek has said can be anywhere from ten bucks to a hundred. If he is asking YOU to pay HIM for the gun, don't shop there!
     
  12. TheGewehrGuy

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    Yeah, I normally like going there for anything I need because they have treated ME right in the past. Actually, my Uncle recently bought a Zastava PAP for $404 from them, well actually they told him $404, then when he went to pick it up they charged him $424, plus tax.

    Its funny too because my uncle used to be an FFL and still gets magazines sent to his house, so I get to gawk :what: at the ridiculous mark ups some dealers charge. $300 for a dealer to order a VZ-2008. And I even told this dealer that I was going to just order it through J & G, but hey its his lose, not only is he losing a $100 profit he could have made by being reasonable, he is losing the transfer fee too.

    When I get my FFL license someday, I will sell guns for just a transfer fee above cost, just to piss these guys off. Not like I would need the money when that happens anyway lol.

    Good riddens to that shaddy dealer.
     
  13. Davek1977

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    I guess what I gathered reading it was that he WOULDN'T accept the gun for transfer, but would order it for the quoted price, which allows him to make his profit on the sale, which is entirely within his rights as a ffl. I may be wrong, but after reading it, I gathered that if the OP was going to get a VZ-2008 at that shop, that would be the price. Now, knowing that, its up to the OP to see if he can beat that price or not. You can argue whether its a good practice or not, but at the end of the day, we're not running his shop. If its truly a profitless business model, he will go under. if he knows how to play his margins, he may do well. It all comes down to a free market...he can run his shop how he sees fit under the law, and you can either utilize his services ...or not. if you can get the gun elsewhere and be happy with the experience, go for it.
     
  14. TheGewehrGuy

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    I agree Davek1977,

    I think its a really shady deal, especially since he lied straight to my face in saying that J & G is a distributor and that the $360 price was not for customers like me (Then why don't they have a log in...)

    I am from now on staying far away from that shop, I had good experiences in the past, but this has ruined it for me. Nothing I hate more than price gouging and lying.
     
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    Have you spoken to your buddy there as opposed to the "New Guy?" It's often hard to find good help these days, even with 10% unemployment.
     
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    If this FFL is saying that a gun that sells for $360 online would be $525 if purchased through his shop, he is either gouging you on FFL fees or on markup in-shop. Either way, I'd find another FFL.
     
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    A new trend is coming.

    I know of several "dealers" who carry no inventory, but make their money from a $20 transfer fee. IMHO, this is the wave of the future. :p

    Little or no overhead costs for the local FFL, and dealer cost + transfer fee for the buyer.

    This is a win-win situation! :D
     
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    This is what I've seen too. I have used 3 such guys in my local area recently, but I've seen more than that advertise. The guy I use only charges $15 (and I've seen him advertise "sales" on transfers for as little as $10).

    Always shop around for everything - that includes the gun, the shipping, and the transfer. If J&G is too high, look at AIM. If UPS is too high look at Fedex. If one FFL charges too much look for another.

    All that aside though, J&G will most certainly sell to you. They don't have "dealer pricing" that you can't get.
     
  19. TheGewehrGuy

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    Hopefully

    I don't see the point of a gun shop only carrying a few guns anyway, unless they have a used rack like Cabelas. And most of the time the people that walk into a shop are just lookie-loos, not ready to buy anything.

    The only place where we don't order guns to buy them in my family, is Cabelas because of the used rack. Why pay MSRP for something, when you can get it used, which is perfectly fine.
     
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    Be aware that if your dealer places the order for you.....he will most likely be required to charge you state sales tax.

    Here in Texas, if I order a firearm from J&G (or any other seller) on behalf of a customer I am required to collect 8.25% Texas sales tax. As I don't work for free, I charge a $30 minimum to order the gun: Example $500 gun + $30 + sales tax= $575.05

    If my customer orders & pays directly to J&G all my customer would pay me is the transfer fee. In this case his total expense would be $500 + a $20 transfer fee.
     
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    The correct answer is BOTH, they are a distributor and also a retailor
     
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    Who requires that? I have ordered many firearms through j &g and other vendors and never been charged sales tax.

    If you require sales tax that is different from being required to charge sales tax. Just imo, it sounds misleading as if Texas requires you to charge this. I dont know of any requirement.

    Anyways aside from that I understand you are tryint to run a business and make money.

    As for the original post. I have to agree with most here, sounds shady. I have found that some dealers(IMO) seem to feel cheated or taken advantage of if you dont buy straight from them. Some even are very rude. Well its a big market and there is plenty of other guys down the road. I would shop around for a cheaper transfer fee.

    I understand a business wants to make money. But I likely wont be back to buy other items(as I usually do if a dealer treats me good) if I feel like attitude is poor or im being gouged.

    The dealer I have been using for years charges 10 bucks(I usually give them 25 just because they are so good to me). They have always been very nice and have made a lot of money off me from other firearms and things I have purchased from them directly. Some dealers around here charge as high as 50 bucks or more for a transfer. I dont see how you can help yourself in making money when there is one down the road charging 10.
     
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    The STATE requires that dealers collect sales tax, which is precisely what Tom posted.

    If I, as a dealer, ORDER the gun for MY customer, then when I sell it to MY customer, I am required to collect sales tax on the sale.
     
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    Hrm, just trying to clear that up because I have never been charged sales tax on any firearms ordered by me or my dealer(I do always pay up front so maybe he is acting as if I ordered it). Maybe I should just lay low before I get dealer in trouble :eek: lol jk

    Just was confused though, was wondering.
     
  25. mgmorden

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    In most (not all) states you're supposed to pay the tax at the end of the year on all your Internet purchases anyways. It's reported as a "Use Tax", typically on your income tax filing, and is to be paid on any items on which you did not pay sales tax.

    Most states typically don't check on this too closely and very few people seem to report anything, but if going by the law you usually aren't getting out of sales tax by ordering online.

    Still, you pay it locally anyways so it's certainly not being saved by buying locally, and most of my gun purchases are cheaper bought online even after shipping + transfer - usually by a significant margin. Just like almost everything else, I buy guns almost exclusively online now. The only things I buy locally anymore is food/groceries and small knicknacks that are too cheap to ship (ie, if I randomly need a turkey baster I'll just go to a local store, but any large items is usually online).

    Heck for music and video games I'm getting them through iTunes and Steam, respectively, and they are completely digitally delivered - no shipping cost because there's no physical item. Internet shopping rocks :).
     
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