NO.
That said, one has to step back and view the whole forrest, and not one tree.
Define Property. How does your State define property?
In my state I have to retreat, before I can use lethal force, and legal statutes define what constitues a threat to me, a person of disparity, and felony.
By Law, if I leave my vehicle running unattended, I will get a ticket. I may not leave the vehicle running, to buy a newspaper from a newstand. I may not leave the car running to warm it up during the winter, unattended, even with the vehicle locked , and I have extra keys to re-open door.
Insurance Companies vary, still if the car is running, and window busted out and someone takes off with it, they may not have to make good on the claim. I do not know all the particulars, like I said it varies.
Do I have a legal definition that says I may shoot my vehicle, or another vehicle, yes, there are special situations.
Felony in progress, fleeing felon, and similar.
For instance I observe an arsonist setting a structure on fire, I can, use force needed to stop a felony , or fleeing felon. It might be best to let the arsonist go and report fire as the danger to more folks exist with a fire spreading. Getting a description of arsonist(s) and vehicles leaving a scene , is of use to LEO , FD and others. Getting FD enroute, waking neighbors I can do in the meantime. Maybe grab a garden hose, or assist getting kids, pets, elderly out of a next door structure.
I observe an Enforcement officer, LEO of Fed, State, County, City, even Wildlife, in fear of life, about to be run over by a person in a vehicle. I have some State Statues that dictate what I can or cannot do to prevent that officer being a victim of lethal force. I observe an officer being shot at traffic stop, again, I have State Statutes with what I can, or cannot do, with that "Person" fleeing the scene.
Kidnapping. Another felony here. I witness a kidnapping, I had make real damn sure it is a kidnapping and not some domestic dispute. Again, I can observe, take notes on vehicle, descriptions of persons, direction heading...etc.
Now if I use my vehicle, and cut them off, or ram them, again, I better make damn sure it is a kidnapping, and not a domestic dispute. I had better be sure the person yelling "kidnapping" is not pulling a stunt on visitation weekend with the other parent.
A person, I feel beyond a reasonable doubt, is committing felony (or other State Statue definitions I ) and me taking the prudent steps of a rational person would do in this situation I assure you , I am going to hear those words in Bold said by MY Lawyer, the other Lawyers, and be said time and time again by the Grand Jury, or to a Jury of My Peers in some fashion .
Rape in progress. Let us say one thug is holding while another is having thier way in a vehicle. What does your state say you are allowed or not allowed? I know MY state statues.
The REAL world is not black and white. Besides the legal, we have morals, common sense, and discretion.
I have walked out to another person's car, and they did not tell me they had an alarm, and the alarm went off.
I have walked out to a car, the wrong one, and tried the key. I did this in Tulsa in Larry Ashcraft's car ( his wifes). I swear there were 6 cars exactly like hers, Sandy and her friend, and I walked up the wrong car. Six cars in 2 aisles, right there together. Now that would have been great, Larry getting a call at the hotel some guy has shot me, his wife and her guest, because we three went to wrong car, and I stuck a key into it, and Sandy tried the passenger door handle thinking I had unlocked it.
I have been on jury duty on lots of cases. I have been the Foreman on a jury, and we stayed until the wee hours, sequestered, deliberating a case.
Beyond a Reasonable Doubt
Prudent Steps
You had damn better understand these. You had better understand if these are not clear to a jury in presentation by a lawyer - you are screwed.
We could NOT find guilty , beyond a reasonable doubt, the accused raping the girlfriend, over and over again, as payment for drugs. Boyfriend met this girl in church. He invited her to meet his buds and their girlfriends. She was overcome, tied up, and a sex toy for the drug deal. And we could not find him guilty.
Same accused was a server in a nice resturant, on bail, awaiting his next trial. He just did not want witnesses , so he stuck a .44 on the forehead on a bud and pulled the trigger. That case, better prepared, he was convicted. But the lady raped, she did not get her conviction. She had to undergo her ordeal , all over again in court , and we could not find him guilty. Truth is, the time was spent on the murder case, not the rape case.
I strongly suggest many folks turn off the damn TV, and go sit in on a REAL Trial.
CSI syndrome exists, that CSI stuff is TV and made to get folks to buy stuff during commercials.
Go sit in a real trial. IF you do jury duty your eyes will opened even more.
Defense attorneys will find out what you had for breakfast the day you posted on THR " kill 'em all and let diety sort it out" ...remember, Internet is one thing being messed with as far as rights. Some ISPs are turning over records to assist in the War on Terror.
Firearm discharging by mistake, has cost folks businesess, homes, divorce, families and jail time.
I assisted on some investigations. It is "said" a .380 will not penetrate very far. WRONG!
I do not care one damn bit, what Internet "says", what a test "says" , ammo box "says". I am talking REAL life. A .380 will go through the metal portion of a Surburban back door, pass thru the seats and hit the child in a car seat up front - all that distance, thru all that metal and material.
.32ACP will exit out a plate glass storefront, thru passenger window and hit a child in a car seat. Hits count all right, better make damn sure you hit what you are supposed to be hitting and legal in doing so.
Turn off the TV, Video Games, shut down the Internet, and go attend a REAL trial.
Watch a person lose everything they had, and will have because they used Force to save Property. It does not even need to be a gun. It can be rock in the yard, a branch off a tree, baseball bat, tire iron, scrap 2x4...
Lose gun rights too, because they "thought" someone was stealing property, or being kidnapped and used their car to run over someone. Dead is dead, didn't mean to, but now you have a felony, and no guns.
Get an LEO or Lawyer to get permisson to be around visitation at a Youth jail (juvie) and the youth used force because someone scratched their Bling Bling wheels, or tried to get them.
Go to an adult facilty and see the granddkids being left in one area, as the parents visit one at a time the Grandparent. Visitation over -
In the distance the Grandparent can see the grandkids, and they wave "at that window over there honey, yes that one"
" I miss you grandpa" as they wave, and they don't understand.
All I will say about that Grandpa, Carter days of high gas prices, and shooting someone for stealing gas, was not allowed according to State Statues.
It does not apply here catching someone breaking into a car for holiday packages, snatching power tools off a truck, or Keying the side of the door either.
Dammit to hell! There is more to reponsible firearm ownership than firearms!
) Thereby, you have smoked his ass.
