Is Sig p365 really actually truly safe to carry appendix?

[fordtrucks]

is the sig p365 really, truly, actually safe to carry in a good quality kydex holster in the appendix position?

Would you be able to relax and forget it’s there? Would you trust your father (pre-your birth) to carry in that position?

Just curious. I have a glock 26 and a p365 and just can’t seem to relax with them appendix like I can my LCR or even my LC9s with the safety.

Thanks.

 

[6.8KT]

I think I'd be inclined to not carry one in the chamber in that position.
Then just practice drawing and racking in one fluid motion.
(And hope you never end up only having one hand to draw with.)
Step up your situational awareness game to try and ensure you'd always have time to rack.
On the other hand, so many of the self-defense encounter videos I've seen... split-seconds count.

So it comes down to the likelihood of an accidental discharge versus the likelihood of a bad guy getting the drop on you.

 

[JR24]

Buy a good holster with one or two clips.

Holster gun first, then clip on your belt.

Done. Safe.

Now leave it alone and dont fiddle with it all day.

If you are worried about pulling the trigger while drawing your gun, you really need a bunch of practice before carrying any gun in any location to train your hands to keep the finger off the trigger until ready to fire (which is just basic gun safety anyhow).

 

[Fine Figure of a Man]

Safe or not, why appendix carry if it worries you?

 

[fordtrucks]

Safe or not, why appendix carry if it worries you?

Good question. Sometimes it’s just the position that works best.

 

[tarosean]

Only gun truely safe for appendix carry.

 

[George P]

It is as safe as any other gun you might want to carry in that mode.

 

[bannockburn]

fordtrucks

Carry in the location that you feel the most comfortable with. The last thing you want to do is to be constantly worried and distracted by where you're carrying your CCW. I personally wouldn't have a problem carrying a SIG P365 in that particular location or any other spot for that matter on the right side of my waist.

 

[labnoti]

On the other hand, so many of the self-defense encounter videos I've seen... split-seconds count.

So it comes down to the likelihood of an accidental discharge versus the likelihood of a bad guy getting the drop on you.

There's that "likelihood" or probability again, like in that other thread where I was labeled a Fudd because I didn't carry an MPX Rattler in my trench just in case. I'm not asking anyone to justify what they carry, but if someone has some doubts about the safety of carrying a certain way, they would be ill-advised to do that just in case that method of carry is going to make the split-second difference to prevent a "bad guy" getting the drop on them.

The 365 is an attractive gun, but carrying modern striker-fired actions with ever decreasing trigger pull weights and distances in any IWB position under random concealment garmets is risky. Those actions were brought about for military and police duty guns in duty holsters with suited-for-purpose uniforms. Certainly, they've been adopted for concealed carry for decades now, but their provenance is just as I wrote. It doesn't take neglecting a holster or poor trigger finger discipline to have a failure. A contributor here reported recently about his adult son whose clothing caught the trigger on draw.

I don't know what you call someone who puts their own safety at risk just so they can have faster access to higher firepower in their underwear just in case they need to race a "bad guy" to the drop without missing those extra, double-stack round counts and the light trigger.

 

[Jesse H]

I don't get why folks are so scared/ignorant of appendix carry. My IWB at 4:00 is probably pointed at more major blood vessels than appendix.

Train what you carry with. I've taken a shooting from concealment class for LE where most of the guys carried AIWB with no issues. Constant drawing and reholstering and nobody shot themself in the ding ding.

 

[Coal Dragger]

Well most people aren’t willing to train on their own, much less pay for a class, pay for travel to get there, pay for ammo, and *gasp* take the big ego hit of showing up and finding out that they suck at shooting a pistol.

Most will never even invest in a good belt and a good holster. A holster with good pull from the top loops, clips, or other belt attachment, that is also rigid and well made costs more than $30. So they won’t buy one. Good gun belts also cost more than $30 so they won’t buy one of those either. Thus they’re convinced that it is impossible to carry anything larger than a .380 or a J Frame (that they never train with ever) comfortably. They’ll also do questionable things like carry a semiautomatic pistol with no round in the chamber, because the Israelis do it. Never mind that Israeli tier 1 units carry in condition 1, and only the poorly trained conscripts carry a pistol with no round in the chamber.

So for that 95% of pistol shooters/carriers AIWB is probably a horrible idea. They’re not going to be consistently able to administratively handle a pistol in a way that prevents ND’s into their crotch area while holstering the pistol into their garbage $30 bargain bin holster that isn’t rigid enough to stay open at the top. Most will still avoid ventilation of their genitals because modern pistols are chock full of passive safeties, but some will not be so lucky. So they shouldn’t carry AIWB.... they probably should not carry a gun at all but that’s another argument for another day.

I’m probably going to start carrying AIWB since I prefer carrying larger pistols and AIWB is more comfortable with a larger pistol than strong side carry on or behind my hip. I’ll either continue to carry the VP9, or acquire a hammer fired pistol of some description to do this. A hammer fired gun gives me more control over the firing mechanism when holstering, which is more of a range/class/training advantage where frequent drawing and reholstering is a thing. Day to day it will be insert magazine, run slide, press check to confirm round in chamber, drop magazine, top off magazine, re-seat magazine, place pistol in holster, place holster in pants at 1:00 position, attach loops or clips to belt, secure any other daily carry items; then carry out the rest of my day.

 

[Old Dog]

I won't use that mode of carry for an pistol, much less a striker-fired affair with no manual safety.

I don't get why folks are so scared/ignorant of appendix carry.

It's neither scared nor ignorant; for me, it's caution. Having been carrying every handgun for forty years in the 3 or 3-thirty position OWB, for me, it's totally unconscious competence. I've seen what happens after critical incidents when folks go to re-holster their handguns. I still haven't had proven to my satisfaction that there's any benefit other that slightly better concealment for some with that mode of carry.

There's also some major gun schools I know of that strictly prohibit their students from using AIWB. And I still don't see how carrying at 4 o'clock points at more major blood vessels that AIWB; we'll have to take a look at that. (I have seen someone shoot themselves in the buttocks, by the way.)

 

[chris in va]

I don't get why folks are so scared/ignorant of appendix carry. My IWB at 4:00 is probably pointed at more major blood vessels than appendix.

4 o'clock IWB doesn't point straight at your femoral artery.

 

[JR24]

4 o'clock IWB doesn't point straight at your femoral artery.

Neither does 12 oclock appendix. At least when I did the holster sat along the top of my junk and just pointed at the floor.

Depending on position/cant and how you holster/unholster 4 oclock can certainly point right at the base of your spine. Not a ton better IMO.

In addition, if you choose to holster while on your body (I dont, regardless of gun) you can at least visually check clear holster in an appendix or front of the hip location, vs holstering blind behind the hip.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

is the sig p365 really, truly, actually safe to carry in a good quality kydex holster in the appendix position?

Is any gun? To do so violates basic gun safety. I'm not trying to start a fight, I just don't believe in appendix carry at all. But folks are welcome to do what they like.

Only gun truely safe for appendix carry.

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Not sure I agree. In the event of an AD your friends will call you "Pee Pants" forever.

 

[ilbob]

I am not convinced it is a good idea to carry any firearm in a way that encourages one to shoot any part of one's own body. It just seems like a bad idea.

 

[JR24]

Is any gun? To do so violates basic gun safety. I'm not trying to start a fight, I just don't believe in appendix carry at all. But folks are welcome to do what they like.

I hear this a lot, yet there is no carry position I am aware of that doesnt violate this rule at least some of the time. Either on your own body or other people (shoulder rig).

Maybe off the body 3 oclock, as long as you dont bend wrong or move your leg too far to the side.

 

[Jesse H]

I won't use that mode of carry for an pistol, much less a striker-fired affair with no manual safety.

It's neither scared nor ignorant; for me, it's caution. Having been carrying every handgun for forty years in the 3 or 3-thirty position OWB, for me, it's totally unconscious competence. I've seen what happens after critical incidents when folks go to re-holster their handguns. I still haven't had proven to my satisfaction that there's any benefit other that slightly better concealment for some with that mode of carry.

There's also some major gun schools I know of that strictly prohibit their students from using AIWB. And I still don't see how carrying at 4 o'clock points at more major blood vessels that AIWB; we'll have to take a look at that. (I have seen someone shoot themselves in the buttocks, by the way.)

Carrying a gun is inherently dangerous. And that's why we train. I was very anti-AIWB until I saw it in a Victory First class. I was faster and from a fighting and defensive position it had it's advantages as well as concealibility. Unfortunately for me, I tried it for a bit and couldn't get comfortable.

There are major schools that allow Blackhawk Serpas, what does that tell you? Just like you don't teach a person whose new to shooting, to all of a sudden draw and fire from any holstered position.

In the end, I'd just wish more people get out there and train instead of shooting at static paper targets.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

I hear this a lot, yet there is no carry position I am aware of that doesnt violate this rule at least some of the time. Either on your own body or other people (shoulder rig).

Maybe off the body 3 oclock, as long as you dont bend wrong or move your leg too far to the side.

Exactly. I carry OWB or IWB at 3:00 to 3:30 depending on if I'm sitting or mostly standing. In this position, in the event of a AD or ND the meat of my hip or right cheek would be grazed at best. I have verified this holstering an unloaded gun, sticking a cleaning rod in the barrel to see where the bullet would hit, and I am satisfied that this is the safest place on my body to carry. People with a lot of extra mass may have a more impactful injury than I though.

The safety rule about "Never point a gun at something you are not willing to destroy." made me think clearly about this decision. I am willing to destroy a small amount of meat on my hip or back side in order to carry a gun. I am not willing to destroy my genitalia, leg, foot, or femoral artery.

But that's just me, and as I said earlier, everyone is welcomed to do as they like. It's not hurting me any what others choose.

Edit: I also bend at the knees and crouch when looking at something low, or picking something up, and do not bend at the waste. This limits the gun inadvertently pointing at someone behind you.

 

[Walkalong]

We are not supposed to have our fingers on the trigger soon enough to shoot ourselves no matter how we carry a pistol.

Only you can decide what you consider safe for you and your weapon of choice.

 

[JTQ]

For you Glock AIWB users, the Tau Development Group Striker Control Device (SCD - also known as "The Gadget"). Not yet available for the SIG, though.

https://taudevgroup.myshopify.com/products/striker-control-device

For those who may prefer AIWB, but are creeped out by a striker pistol AIWB (regardless of a Gadget) from Lucky Gunner

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/why-switched-double-action/

 

[Jeb Stuart]

For you Glock AIWB users, the Tau Development Group Striker Control Device (SCD - also known as "The Gadget"). Not yet available for the SIG, though.

https://taudevgroup.myshopify.com/products/striker-control-device

For those who may prefer AIWB, but are creeped out by a striker pistol AIWB (regardless of a Gadget) from Lucky Gunner

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/why-switched-double-action/

I personally switched to double action and have never been happier. And regardless of what others say, I can shoot it every bit as good as the light striker fired guns I own. DA or DA/SA will always be the way I go in the future. I still have light Striker fired guns, but never carry them any longer and they have safeties. And I know that just saying that Upsets a lot of people. Taking a risk just to say it.

 

[tarosean]

Not sure I agree. In the event of an AD your friends will call you "Pee Pants" forever.

Rather be know as that than "Stumpy" or 6ft under..

 

[WVsig]

Well most people aren’t willing to train on their own, much less pay for a class, pay for travel to get there, pay for ammo, and *gasp* take the big ego hit of showing up and finding out that they suck at shooting a pistol.

Most will never even invest in a good belt and a good holster. A holster with good pull from the top loops, clips, or other belt attachment, that is also rigid and well made costs more than $30. So they won’t buy one. Good gun belts also cost more than $30 so they won’t buy one of those either. Thus they’re convinced that it is impossible to carry anything larger than a .380 or a J Frame (that they never train with ever) comfortably. They’ll also do questionable things like carry a semiautomatic pistol with no round in the chamber, because the Israelis do it. Never mind that Israeli tier 1 units carry in condition 1, and only the poorly trained conscripts carry a pistol with no round in the chamber.

So for that 95% of pistol shooters/carriers AIWB is probably a horrible idea. They’re not going to be consistently able to administratively handle a pistol in a way that prevents ND’s into their crotch area while holstering the pistol into their garbage $30 bargain bin holster that isn’t rigid enough to stay open at the top. Most will still avoid ventilation of their genitals because modern pistols are chock full of passive safeties, but some will not be so lucky. So they shouldn’t carry AIWB.... they probably should not carry a gun at all but that’s another argument for another day.

I’m probably going to start carrying AIWB since I prefer carrying larger pistols and AIWB is more comfortable with a larger pistol than strong side carry on or behind my hip. I’ll either continue to carry the VP9, or acquire a hammer fired pistol of some description to do this. A hammer fired gun gives me more control over the firing mechanism when holstering, which is more of a range/class/training advantage where frequent drawing and reholstering is a thing. Day to day it will be insert magazine, run slide, press check to confirm round in chamber, drop magazine, top off magazine, re-seat magazine, place pistol in holster, place holster in pants at 1:00 position, attach loops or clips to belt, secure any other daily carry items; then carry out the rest of my day.

I train. I have paid a lot of $$$ for training. I traveled for that training. I took the ego hit because I knew going in I am an avg shooter who needs to get better but I am still not carrying AIWB. The advantages simply do not out weight the negatives for me. I have spent more money on holsters, belts and carry gear than I care to admit. I have drawer full of holsters that will attest to the process. 99% of your post is complete garbage. 99% of it does not address the OPs question it is just some sort of rambling manifesto about how you choose to carry.

To the OP if you are comfortable with AIWB then the P365 should be fine assuming you trust Sig to properly design and manufacture a handgun that does not go off when you do not intend it to.

 

[George P]

assuming you trust Sig to properly design and manufacture a handgun that does not go off when you do not intend it to.

And what exactly is your meaning behind this statement?