I've never been hassled by Canadian border agents but I always get hassled on the way back to the US. I have been asked if I had a gun and then asked a follow-up question "So if we search your car we won't find a gun". I've never had concealed carry permit or even owned a pistol until last week. My company has a plant in Cuidad Juarez, Mexico and I have crossed the US-Mexico border dozens of times. I've been persistently asked if I am carrying drugs and have been asked on more than one occasion to lift a pant leg or lift a jacket and turn around. Border agents will sometimes press on an issue to see if you get nervous or give a tell that you are lying. You wife's experience doesn't sound out of the ordinary to me at all.
Is the U.S. sharing CCW info with foreign nations?
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And they WILL search your car if you tell them "it's none of your business".
Ask me how I know
Whether anyone likes it or not, CHL info as well as firearms registration is included in police criminal files. IIRC there have been a few court cases on that subject, but the plaintiffs lose since the police order our "independent judiciary" to allow them to keep track of evil gun owners, even though other "non-criminal" fingerprint data (school teachers, etc.) is in a separate file.
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One more data point:
When I drive across the border and they have access to the computer as they scan my passport, I get hassled with the weapons question more often than not.
When I fire up my Cessna and fly across, and clear customs and immigration on the ramp of a small airport, I am never hassled. Note that I will have submitted my passenger manifest electronically in advance of the crossing, so it's not like they do not have any opportunity to screen the passenger list, but "planeside" on the ramp they are not peering into the computer in real time as they are looking at our documents.
So... it does seem like there is information in the file that is more than just the basics.
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When I drive across the border and they have access to the computer as they scan my passport, I get hassled with the weapons question more often than not.
When I fire up my Cessna and fly across, and clear customs and immigration on the ramp of a small airport, I am never hassled. Note that I will have submitted my passenger manifest electronically in advance of the crossing, so it's not like they do not have any opportunity to screen the passenger list, but "planeside" on the ramp they are not peering into the computer in real time as they are looking at our documents.
So... it does seem like there is information in the file that is more than just the basics.
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And they WILL search your car if you tell them "it's none of your business".
Ask me how I know
Oh, I believe you!
And they're welcome to search my car all they wish...that's their right. Heck, you can even get that from the U.S. border customs agent exiting our country as well, if they wish.
If they ask me if I am carrying or have any guns or ammunition in my car or on my person, I'll answer that...because that's information they need to know as a border guard/border customs agent.
However, if they ask me questions like "Where is it?" or "Why do you need it?", that's none of their business. All that matters is whether or not I have any such items in my vehicle or on my person.
And guess what? When they search my vehicle and/or me, that's the ONLY evidence they can discover with respect to guns and ammo...whether or not I have any in the car or on my person. Where it's actually at beyond the confines of me and my vehicle can't be answered with the search, nor the reason(s) I may legally own any such guns or ammunition in my own country and property.
(Let's not side track off into no mans land about searching for and confiscating other items not related to guns and ammo...just acknowledge that they can do that as well, if they wish. That would drag this entirely off topic and get the string closed.)
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I guess I would have to fly in since I am sure they could find a Round of 22 LR in my ole rig for sure.
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However, if they ask me questions like "Where is it?" or "Why do you need it?", that's none of their business.
And the easy answer is "Not here" and if they press it "stored in the USA".
likely not:
"None of your business"
There's a difference between being a wise man and a wiseass...
Best,
Willie
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And the easy answer is "Not here" and if they press it "stored in the USA".
likely not:
"None of your business"
There's a difference between being a wise man and a wiseass...
Best,
Willie
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Ha..
when I crossed, I told them they were welcome to
and then I was a smart... to them
and suggested that since it was a single lane and they weren't the helpful type, maybe it would take me a long time....
but then I was crossing from Haines Alaska, so I don't think it a very busy crossing, I might have had all day.
when I crossed, I told them they were welcome to
and then I was a smart... to them
and suggested that since it was a single lane and they weren't the helpful type, maybe it would take me a long time....
but then I was crossing from Haines Alaska, so I don't think it a very busy crossing, I might have had all day.
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There's a difference between being a wise man and a wiseass...
Best,
Willie
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Understood!
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^^ Even Goatlocker-Dwellers can be sensitive types at times...
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I'm definitely lost on this one.^^ Even Goatlocker-Dwellers can be sensitive types at times...
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It's a reference to me as a retired Chief Petty Officer...the Chief's Quarters on ships are called "goatlockers". An old naval slang term.
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^^ So called because of their deformed right hands, which resemble goats-feet. When a Petty Officer First Class reaches the elevated status of Chief, their right hand magically molds itself into a hook that is only suitable for one thing: Clutching a coffee-cup.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it....
Seriously, Chiefs run the boat and *nobody* intrudes into the Goatlocker without (rarely offered) invitation. Was at the Navy Memorial in DC a few weeks back and there was an elderly man looking at the memorial with a baseball hat with the number of some DD on it, and his anchor pin stuck on top of that. He made eye contact with me as I walked by with my daughter and I said "Good morning, Chief". You should have seen his smile as he said "Good Morning" back.
Back to our regularly schedule program now.
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That's my story and I'm sticking to it....
Seriously, Chiefs run the boat and *nobody* intrudes into the Goatlocker without (rarely offered) invitation. Was at the Navy Memorial in DC a few weeks back and there was an elderly man looking at the memorial with a baseball hat with the number of some DD on it, and his anchor pin stuck on top of that. He made eye contact with me as I walked by with my daughter and I said "Good morning, Chief". You should have seen his smile as he said "Good Morning" back.
Back to our regularly schedule program now.
Willie
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^^^^
True statement. The Goatlocker is the only place on a ship where even the Captain of the ship requests permission to enter. That's the level of respect accorded.
It's kinda cool to be called "Chief", even in retirement. Since starting work as a civilian at a naval shipyard, I run across sailors who still call me "Chief". I smiled at one and told him he could call me by name now. He smiled and said "You'll always be 'Chief'!"
And I agree...greeting a "Chief" by title is an outstanding way to offer a huge level of respect and support, especially to the older generations who have sacrificed a great deal for our nation.
But I seriously digress from the OP...
True statement. The Goatlocker is the only place on a ship where even the Captain of the ship requests permission to enter. That's the level of respect accorded.
It's kinda cool to be called "Chief", even in retirement. Since starting work as a civilian at a naval shipyard, I run across sailors who still call me "Chief". I smiled at one and told him he could call me by name now. He smiled and said "You'll always be 'Chief'!"
And I agree...greeting a "Chief" by title is an outstanding way to offer a huge level of respect and support, especially to the older generations who have sacrificed a great deal for our nation.
But I seriously digress from the OP...
As a TX resident my CHL is tied to my DL. I'm in and out of our country every month and never been asked about guns. Course it's been many many years since I've driven across our southern and northern borders. (Pre 9-11 when all you needed was a DL.)
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