Is the U.S. sharing CCW info with foreign nations?
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I travel to Canada quite often, and I've never been asked about my CPL. But I'm a Canadian citizen, so maybe they hassle me less, idk.
I do have a friend who said she was asked about hers, though. I was curious as to how they got that information. But I suppose it's possible she had it behind her DL in her wallet, and they saw it after she took her DL out to give it to them and recognized the CPL card.
I do have a friend who said she was asked about hers, though. I was curious as to how they got that information. But I suppose it's possible she had it behind her DL in her wallet, and they saw it after she took her DL out to give it to them and recognized the CPL card.
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I never said you were wrong about the cost and man hours. You're missing the point entirely:
Are you willing to sacrifice your liberty and that of your fellow citizens to a foreign country all in the name of saving a few taxpayer dollars and making the border "secure"?
Given the track record of the current administration's support for gun owners: I suspect the majority of THR members here would not.
You are a fan of quotes from Thomas Jefferson I see. Since we are sharing this personal / confidential information with a foreign nation, all under the guise of border security, I'd like to leave you with a quote from Ben Franklin:
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety".
I don't mean to be contrary, but I am certainly not missing the point. I have agreed each time that foreign governments shouldn't have access to state concealed carry permit information. I just pointed out the extra cost of filtering out some of the information linked to driver's licenses.
I also personally have no problems with wisely spent tax dollars. Nor am I particularly concerned with securing Canada's borders.
I also personally have no problems with wisely spent tax dollars. Nor am I particularly concerned with securing Canada's borders.
Shadow 7D
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AH... UM...
OK, so check this out, a US Drivers Licence is good in Canada and, most likely that means they are tied into your state DL database.
So. where it goes from there?
Also, traveling on military orders (which happen to be a form of visa) elicits pretty much the same response from the Mounties
OH, and if you ever see one with a Benchmade, ask him how many Army guys he screwed over.
OK, so check this out, a US Drivers Licence is good in Canada and, most likely that means they are tied into your state DL database.
So. where it goes from there?
Also, traveling on military orders (which happen to be a form of visa) elicits pretty much the same response from the Mounties
OH, and if you ever see one with a Benchmade, ask him how many Army guys he screwed over.
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guyfromohio
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Never checked the DL, just the passport. Still suspicious.
Life During Wartime
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That is disgusting and appalling if the government is
X-Rap
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I've heard Canada prohibits entry if the driver has had a DWI on their record, if this is true certainly all other info that a given state provides will show up as well.
We have a problem in the US with our personal business being recorded and observed while pushing the legal envelope so it wouldn't be of surprise to have it be an international problem as well. With the "war on overseas contingencys" and "workplace violence" there is quite a bit of info shared amongst our friends, especially everyday citizens who don't visit known terrorist states.
We have a problem in the US with our personal business being recorded and observed while pushing the legal envelope so it wouldn't be of surprise to have it be an international problem as well. With the "war on overseas contingencys" and "workplace violence" there is quite a bit of info shared amongst our friends, especially everyday citizens who don't visit known terrorist states.
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guyfromohio
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If this is the case, I'm not comfortable with this.
Onward Allusion
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Well, it certainly appears that way, doesn't it? Truth be known, I am not at all surprised. We have lost many of our civil liberties since 9/11 happen and few are questioning these changes.
Deanimator
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It'd hardly be surprising if it was, legal or otherwise.
There's evidence that the Internal Revenue Service unlawfully shared private taxpayer information of those opposed to current administration policy in order to materially harm its political opponents. And I say this as somebody whose opinions on that particular issue are closer to the administration's than the victims'.
The ever deepening cesspit of IRS corruption clearly demonstrates that there's very little off the table in terms of governmental activity these days, again legal or otherwise.
The government has lost ANY claim on the "benefit of the doubt", and may never get it back in my lifetime... if EVER.
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Torian, what is an FL permit?
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He was probably playing "bad cop", like in: "we know you did it, we have it on videotape" when in reality they were bluffing.
The last 2 times I went to Canada I was treated rather rudely by the border agent. The last guy ticked me off to the point when he got around to asking me how long I was planning on staying in Canada, I almost said, like 2 minutes in order for me to get my car turned around because if this is how you treat people who are planning on spending some money in your country then forget it, I'm going home. The regular people and businessmen I came into contact with were quite nice so it probably is just an attempt at intimidation to make the real guilty parties mess up.
The last 2 times I went to Canada I was treated rather rudely by the border agent. The last guy ticked me off to the point when he got around to asking me how long I was planning on staying in Canada, I almost said, like 2 minutes in order for me to get my car turned around because if this is how you treat people who are planning on spending some money in your country then forget it, I'm going home. The regular people and businessmen I came into contact with were quite nice so it probably is just an attempt at intimidation to make the real guilty parties mess up.
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40-82 said:
That must have been long ago, since I got my first VA CWP in 1975.
Welcome to THR, 40-82!
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The ONLY thing I do know is that the state of TX will link your TX CHL directly to your TX license, so when it is run (apparently by anyone) that data will come up.
I have a AZ DL and a non-resident FL permit. To my knowledge, that data is not available when someone runs my AZ DL. It is still an assumption however...
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Maybe the Customs Officer was a former TSA employee. After all his actions would be consistent with searching little old ladies and young children.
Another thought would be the officer is actually after making arrests rather than preventing criminals and terrorists from entering the country. As shooters think about easy it is for a single cartridge to be hiding in a dark difficult to reach spot in your vehicles interior. Experience may have shown that a family vehicle doesn't get cleaned out very often so it is possible a live cartridge could be in the vehicle unobserved.
Another thought would be the officer is actually after making arrests rather than preventing criminals and terrorists from entering the country. As shooters think about easy it is for a single cartridge to be hiding in a dark difficult to reach spot in your vehicles interior. Experience may have shown that a family vehicle doesn't get cleaned out very often so it is possible a live cartridge could be in the vehicle unobserved.
Texan Scott
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Man, I don't even go to FRIENDLY foreign countries like Oklahoma or Louisiana.
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guyfromohio
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BSA.... Almost happened. I have a speed loader full of HP for my 642 usually sitting in the change compartment. But minutes before she left the house, I took them out thinking that maybe NY had some nonsense law about HP ammo. Glad I did.
lemaymiami
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I'm afraid that in the real world privacy is a thing of bygone years... As a result I'm pretty careful about such things. I made a point of advising my kids about it as well - not that they listened....
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Sharing that information across national boarders would, indeed, be irritating. Especially since the method of sharing it isn't directly linked to the state laws. If anybody knows a way of finding out whether or not this is being done officially, I'd be exceedingly happy to pursue this through my representative.
As for the Canadian boarder guard asking questions...the only answer I would give would be that I do not have any guns or ammunition in the vehicle. It's none of his/her business where any of my guns or ammunition are beyond that, nor is it any of his/her business why I own any guns or ammunition. The ONLY thing that matters is whether or not I am transporting any guns or ammunition across the border.
If they don't like me saying "none of your business" to all the questions which are none of their business, they are free to search my vehicle if they wish (since they are legally entitled to do so) or to deny me passage. I'll happily leave, with their name and other identification for my records, and contact Canadian officials about it at a later date.
Yeah, they can make life difficult for me...even expensive, should the customs people decide to do things like confiscate phones, computers, and such. But since there isn't anything illegal to find, they can have at it.
Then they can bugger off.
As for the Canadian boarder guard asking questions...the only answer I would give would be that I do not have any guns or ammunition in the vehicle. It's none of his/her business where any of my guns or ammunition are beyond that, nor is it any of his/her business why I own any guns or ammunition. The ONLY thing that matters is whether or not I am transporting any guns or ammunition across the border.
If they don't like me saying "none of your business" to all the questions which are none of their business, they are free to search my vehicle if they wish (since they are legally entitled to do so) or to deny me passage. I'll happily leave, with their name and other identification for my records, and contact Canadian officials about it at a later date.
Yeah, they can make life difficult for me...even expensive, should the customs people decide to do things like confiscate phones, computers, and such. But since there isn't anything illegal to find, they can have at it.
Then they can bugger off.
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