Is there a way to own a HK 416D?
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newfalguy101
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buy a "transferable" machine gun.
Or get a manufacturing license and build your own
Or get a manufacturing license and build your own
Rockwolf66
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You can legally own a FA firearm in most states.
the issue is that to get a post 1986 machinegun you have to be a SOT. meaning you have to be licensed to either A: deal in machineguns and have a demonstration letter from your local head LEO. or B: be a manufacturer of NFA devices. In the latter case you must be manufacturing NFA restricted devices on a business scale.
the issue is that to get a post 1986 machinegun you have to be a SOT. meaning you have to be licensed to either A: deal in machineguns and have a demonstration letter from your local head LEO. or B: be a manufacturer of NFA devices. In the latter case you must be manufacturing NFA restricted devices on a business scale.
Sam1911
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You can own a machine gun so long as it was made and registered before May of 1986.
That means that you could buy a registered, "transferable" M-16 lower receiver and build whatever top end onto it you want. That could get you pretty close to what you want, I think.
You can also buy a registered, transferable "Drop-In-Auto-Sear" (DIAS) which will fit in many standard semi-auto AR-15 lower receivers and make your AR-15 run full-auto.
Either option there has you buying a part worth something around $15,000-$20,000 and building the gun you want onto it.
(The other options -- like becoming an SOT 02 and FFL -- are not for acquiring a cool gun. Those are career paths for someone who will be in the business of making and/or selling firearms for a living.)
That means that you could buy a registered, "transferable" M-16 lower receiver and build whatever top end onto it you want. That could get you pretty close to what you want, I think.
You can also buy a registered, transferable "Drop-In-Auto-Sear" (DIAS) which will fit in many standard semi-auto AR-15 lower receivers and make your AR-15 run full-auto.
Either option there has you buying a part worth something around $15,000-$20,000 and building the gun you want onto it.
(The other options -- like becoming an SOT 02 and FFL -- are not for acquiring a cool gun. Those are career paths for someone who will be in the business of making and/or selling firearms for a living.)
Sam1911
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First you'll need to get your Federal Firearms License to become a gun dealer or/and manufacturer. There are a number of types of FFL -- google will give you a list of them and what each type of license can do.
Then, if you get certain licenses you can also apply to become a Special Occupational Taxpayer, Class 3 (dealer) or Class 2 (manufacturer).
You'll need to have your zoning worked out so you can get your business license to be running which ever kind of shop you'd have, pay your license fees (and taxes, insurance, etc.) and also you'll need to pay ITAR fees.
There are a few FFLs and SOTs here on THR. If you ever become serious about following that path, it would be worth while to talk to them a bit and see how it all goes and what it might cost.
Then, if you get certain licenses you can also apply to become a Special Occupational Taxpayer, Class 3 (dealer) or Class 2 (manufacturer).
You'll need to have your zoning worked out so you can get your business license to be running which ever kind of shop you'd have, pay your license fees (and taxes, insurance, etc.) and also you'll need to pay ITAR fees.
There are a few FFLs and SOTs here on THR. If you ever become serious about following that path, it would be worth while to talk to them a bit and see how it all goes and what it might cost.
Telekinesis
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Sam has a good overview of the process to get a FFL/SOT, but if you go the individual weapon route (buying a transferable pre-86 machine gun) there is no actual licensing required.
All you have to do is pay for the gun (for a M16 lower you're looking at between $15-25,000 depending on condition and if you want a colt or not), send in the transfer paperwork and tax to the ATF, wait 9+ months, and then pick up your machine gun once the paperwork with the stamp returns.
Unfortunately there is no easy and cheap way to get into machine guns, but it's a lot of fun once you jump in!
All you have to do is pay for the gun (for a M16 lower you're looking at between $15-25,000 depending on condition and if you want a colt or not), send in the transfer paperwork and tax to the ATF, wait 9+ months, and then pick up your machine gun once the paperwork with the stamp returns.
Unfortunately there is no easy and cheap way to get into machine guns, but it's a lot of fun once you jump in!
JustinJ
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Real HK416 uppers occasionally turn up for sale. If you got a FA registered lower, a 416 upper and the correct stock you would be pretty much there.
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-416-Upper-c132.htm
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-416-Upper-c132.htm
CharlieDeltaJuliet
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Buy a pre ban fully auto lower and a 416 upper. You could buy a MR556 (for the lower) a 416 upper and an auto sear, then have a gunsmith fit it. It has to have a bit taken out of a RDIAS to fit.
justice06rr
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You'd probably need a boatload of money if you really wanted to get into Select Fire weapons...
Some good info posted by Sam. You could also buy a 416 complete upper, and mate it to a FA lower using a DIAS as Justin mentioned above.
These things cost between $15k and up. You gotta pay to play, as the saying goes. But if you have the "cheddar" or bank roll to fund it, by all means get one!
Some good info posted by Sam. You could also buy a 416 complete upper, and mate it to a FA lower using a DIAS as Justin mentioned above.
These things cost between $15k and up. You gotta pay to play, as the saying goes. But if you have the "cheddar" or bank roll to fund it, by all means get one!
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Mac-10s and UZIs are pretty much the cheapest way of getting into full auto, at about $5000 -$7000. The only problem is they're pretty pointless at anyhting other than burning ammo (and they do that VERY well). A full auto AR or AK is still a decent plinking and target rifle at the range once you switch it to semi. But a Mac-10, why do they even have a semi setting?
Really the biggest expense with full-auto guns is not even the guns. It's the ammo. A Mac or UZI at 1200 rpm eats ammo VERY quickly.
Really the biggest expense with full-auto guns is not even the guns. It's the ammo. A Mac or UZI at 1200 rpm eats ammo VERY quickly.
Sam1911
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Why would you run either at 1,200 rpm? A half that they are controllable and useful little carbines especially now with all the uppers, stocks, rate kits, optics setups you can get for them.
MasterSergeantA
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I agree with Sam. I only paid $800 for my M-11/9 back in 2000 and have added a Lage slow-fire upper to it since then...doubling my cash into it, but well worth the additional cost especially given where prices have gone. It is controllable and actually fun to shoot. I also picked up Richard's .22LR conversion, so it is even more fun now.
FWIW, take care if you choose to go the DIAS route. As the ban on new registration was being considered, some folks made hundreds of those auto sears and registered them. Some were good, properly made from quality steel and hardened. But many more were cheap junk, even made from zinc castings. The latter type will fail within a few rounds, often not even firing a full magazine. So the poor sap who paid a huge amount of money plus the tax stamp, and sweated blood over the paperwork and waiting period ends up with nothing. He can't copy the part and he can't get another without going through the same routine. And the company that made/sold it is gone with the wind.
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CharlieDeltaJuliet
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Here ya go, buy this and a 416 upper. $15k and you got yourself a 416
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/parts.cgi?read=332638
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/parts.cgi?read=332638
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