Is there Shall Issue CCW in NC and VA?

[The Real Hawkeye]

I have three potential job opportunities in my field, two in North Carolina (Fayetteville and Lumberton) and one in Virginia (Stafford). I believe that my current Florida CCW permit is not recognized in either of those two states (correct me if I'm wrong, please). Do they have Shall Issue CCW in either or both of these states? If so, do you have to be a resident there for a period of time, or can you get one right off the bat, or even in advance of relocating there? Thanks for any info you can offer.

 

[mtnbkr]

Va is shall issue.

Va does not recognize the Fl permit. NC does. According to Packing.org...

It's trivial to get a permit in Va. Just show proof of safety training, fill out the forms, get fingerprinted, and pay the fees.

BTW, I'm not far from Stafford, Va and went to school near Fayette'nam and Lumberton. Depending on the pay, I'd go to NC. Much better, IMO than Northern Va. Those two towns in NC aren' the best choices in NC, but you can get land out in the country and commute.

Chris

 

[Leatherneck]

Check out packing.org.

TC
TFL Survivor

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Chris, you're near "Bull Run," aren't you? That's where we gave those "blue bellies" what for.

 

[mtnbkr]

lol, yeah.

BTW, if you don't mind me asking, what do you do that would take you to places like Fayetteville, Lumberton, and Stafford?

Chris

 

[KMKeller]

Avoid Fayette'nam like the plague. Lumberton is much better.

 

[mtnbkr]

It's been a while since I spent any time in that area (when I go to NC these days, I stay in/around Goldsboro), but doesn't Lumberton have a rep for being a bit rough as well? I recall hearing about a lot of shootings, etc out there (this was a decade ago though).

Chris

 

[DMK]

NC is shall issue and has recipricity with all the surrounding states plus Florida among others.

www.packing.org has all the answers to these questions and more.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Can someone tell me something about any or all of these three areas? Are they "bad" areas, or something? I am not interested in teaching in Virginia's or NC's equivalent of Harlem. Actually, looking for someplace rural and "countrified." Some place where you can shoot and hunt nearby, if not right outside your back door, ideally.

 

[Viking6]

Vis a vis Lumberton being violent, IIRC, Michael Jordan's father was murdered near Lumberton around '93 and back in the Fifties or Sixties, the Lumbe Indians ran the KKK's little a$$es out of the county in a not so delicate manner. These are all recollections of a tired mind.

 

[mtnbkr]

Yup, Jordan's dad was killed on I-95 outside of Lumberton.

BTW, the Lumbee Indians are the only group of Indians I'm aware of with blue eyes. IIRC, historians think they may have intermixed with the Roanoke Island survivors. Depending on the historian, they may not even be a distinct tribe, but a mix of other local Indians and early caucasian settlers. The Lumbee Indians I knew had distinctly caucasian features, but with olive skin and jet black hair. They definately don't have the same appearance as the Cherokee in the western part of the state.


Edit to add: I found this blurb about the Lumbee and their heritage...

The Lumbee appear to be related to the Melungeons of Tennessee and the Redbones of Louisiana. The Lumbee are a dark-skinned people who were discovered by early Scots settlers in Southeastern North Carolina. The Lumbee looked like Indians, but they spoke English and lived in houses and farmed like Englishmen. They call themselves "Indians", but no Indian languages were known among them, and they had no history linking them to a particular tribe.

Several theories have been advanced to explain the origins of the Lumbee. One is that they are descendants of the Lost Colony of Roanoke, although many doubt that. Another is that they are a polyglot of remnants of various Indian tribes of the Southeast that banded together after European diseases decimated their tribes, who married into English families. They may also contain possible traces of Portuguese from shipwrecked sailors, Spanish soldiers from an early colonization attempt, and runaway African slaves, although the Lumbee vehemently deny any African heritage


Chris

 

[spartacus2002]

Most NC counties require a permit from the sheriff to purchase a pistol. Virginia usually doesn't.

Cost of living in Northern Virginia is

 

[mtnbkr]

Spartacus,

Good point. I had forgotten about the pistol permit. However, IIRC, you can get multiples in a month (even at once I think), where in Va, you can only buy one handgun a month unless you fill out a State Police form (with proper justification, etc).

COL in NoVa sucks, but if you can buy a home, you're almost certainly going to make a profit when you sell. My friend sold his house in the middle of the economic downturn and still made $125k over what they purchased it for (not including the equity they built up by paying the mortgage down in chunks as they sold stock).

Chris

 

[Zach S]

If so, do you have to be a resident there for a period of time, or can you get one right off the bat, or even in advance of relocating there?

from http://www.jus.state.nc.us/NCJA/firearms.htm
The Sheriff has 90 days from the time all of the application materials are received to either issue or deny a permit. In order for the applicant to be approved, he must:

(2) have been a resident of the state for no less than 30 days immediately preceding the filing of the application;

Youll have to wait a month, sorry.

Cant comment on Fayetteville or Lumberton, havent been to either in a long time. I live in the asheville area.

Aboiut the permission slips (pistol permits), they cost 5 bucks a pop, you can buy up to 5 at a time, and they're good for 5 years. Theres also a 5 day wait.

 

[The Real Hawkeye]

Zach, that doesn't matter, because I found out that NC recognizes my Florida CCW permit. I would just carry on that. But you are saying that I need permission to buy any additional handguns in NC, and I have to pay per handgun? Is that true?

 

[Navy joe]

Yeah, cost of living around Stafford is pretty whack as the young kids say.

As for gun laws I think VA has the edge. We have the stupid restaurant rule and the one handgun a month, but other than that we're okay. I believe that NC is not an open carry state, the biggest problem is that carry is not allowed in sporting events and the like, I believe the test is whether or not admission is charged? Large public gatherings are why I carry, not when to leave it home.

 

[Renegade]

I live south of Fayetteville, in Hope Mills. Both places are growing. Cumberland County just opened a new high school at the begining of the school year, in the Grays Creek community, which is in the country. The Robeson County school system hasn't opened any new schools, just added some more classrooms to the ones that are already there. If I were a teacher and my choices in NC were Lumberton and Fayetteville, I would go to Fayetteville. Granted, both places aren't the best, but they're not the worst either. Yes, there are areas of Fayette'nam that should be avoided like the plague, here they are in no particular order: 1. Murchison Road- the only way I go down this road is...heavyly armed 2. Bonnie Doone- VD cesspool(know what I mean?) 3. Hollywood Heights- I wouldn't want to meet their welcoming commitee. Some good points about Fayetteville...hmmm I'll have to get to you on that. Just kidding. If you want e-mail me and I'll tell you whatever you want to know.


Later,

Dave

 

[Zach S]

But you are saying that I need permission to buy any additional handguns in NC, and I have to pay per handgun? Is that true?

In a way, yeah... Calling the pistol purchase permits "permission slips" is something I picked up from the range right about the time I turned 21. Its not like you have to meet with the sherriff and and prove your need for buying one or anything like that.

Other than the $5 price, they dont really bother me. Well, come to think of it, the $5 doesnt bother me very much when I'm about to drop $450 or more on a pistol...

 

[Renegade]

NC is an open carry state. Can't carry where admission is charge, or where alcohol is served and consumed.


Later,

Dave

 

[Majic]

Something to think about and check on. Your Fla CCW that you plan on carrying with is valid as long as you are a resident of Fla. Move to another state and not keep a home in Fla then you lose the residency status. The permit will no longer be any good. If you become a resident of NC or Va then you will have to apply for a CCW from one of those states.

 

[azrael]

AHHHH and now I shall weigh in...NC is an open carry state..however we have a nice little "blue" law that some dont seem to know about...it is called "going armed to the terror of the people"...

Fayettville is called Fayetnam for a reason...Get a place to live out in the country and you will be ok...It isnt nearly as bad as it once was but it still has some problems in the inner city...

Lumberton is something else...Depending on where you go and what time it is and what day it is...it might be friendly or openly hostile...depending on how pale you are....I dont care for the town personally but that is just me...I would take Fayetville over it if I was given the option...

 

[Waitone]

NC requires a pistol purchase permit to buy a handgun. $5 at the sheriff not a problem. Most let you buy 3 or so at a time. Sheriff does the NIC thingy so when you buy a handgun you walk out then and there with your purchase. No other limitations.

Open carry, but not advised by any law enforcement. Gun transportation rules are unbelievably vague. That is why I originally got a CCH permit, just to keep from being harassed in transit to the range. State is basically gun neutral except for pockets UNC Chapel Hill and the whole tobacco road area (Raleigh-Durham Axis of liberalism).

CCH requires an 8 hour state sponsored course, a course of fire, application, fingerprint, background check (same check as police go through). Good for 4 or 5 years and costs $200 including the training and application. Manditory notification of LE. Local business can opt out of permiting CCH on premises but few do.

Lumberton is a small southern town in transition. FayetNam has a huge military infrastructure. Lumberton's economic infrastructure is questionable. FayetNam may not be a garden spot but I'd take it over Lumberton simply because of economics. NoVA indeed sucks. Dollars will go much further than in NC than NoVA. Lots and lots of open land around FayetNam.

Good luck. Keep us posted.

 

[dischord]

I am not interested in teaching in Virginia's or NC's equivalent of Harlem.

Virginia is shall issue.

Stafford has changed a lot since I graduated from North Stafford High School 20 years ago, but it's no Harlem. It's on the rural side of suburban, and it is one of the better school districts in the Rappahannock region, although 25 years of absurd population growth has stressed its capacity. If you teach in the northern part of the county, you can expect a lot of your students to be the children of Marines (Quantico). FWIW: About half my friends in high school were Marine brats, and they were among the better behaved in the school.

Most of the woods my long-dead dog and I tramped around in are gone. But there's still plenty of private land to hunt on if you know the right land owners, especially in the western and southeastern parts of the county. And if you like fishing, there are tons of places, from small streams to lakes to wide rivers (The Potomac is 3 to 4 miles wide at Stafford).

Stafford has two good public places to shoot http://indoorrange.com/fees.html and http://www.sosva.com/IWLAchapters.htm#1 … plus a bunch of private ranges (again if you know the right people). Stafford folk generally still do not go berserk if they hear shooting.

Home prices in Stafford are high by national standards, but they are fairly low by Northern Virginia standards. But you're still looking at $150K to $200K for a one-floor ranch if you're lucky. I sold my parents' one-floor ranch (re-built in 1990) for ~$140K in 2000. I easily could have gotten $200K to $250K up here in Fairfax. I was speaking to a Stafford resident just this week. He said his home’s tax assessment has gone up by only 10% since 2000. Mine in Fairfax has gone up by more than 30%.

 

[19112XS]

I spoke with a representative of Harnett County Schools today. They seem to be hiring now. Their address is Lillington NC. Is this close to the area in which you're interested? I can PM the info (name, address, phone) if you like. Good Luck!

 

[mtnbkr]

Lillington isn't very far at all from those two towns. In fact, it's only 30 minutes from Fayetteville. Tiny town, but a nice quiet community. Campbell Univ (my alma mater) is 5 miles away, so the town has a fairly good sized population of college students. From Lillington, you're less than an hour from Raleigh as wel.

I kinda miss that area.

Chris