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Is there such a gun?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by JimLL, Oct 24, 2009.

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  1. JimLL

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    I like the James Bond gun (Walther PPK) a lot - the size, shape, weight, etc. But I'd never trust a .380 for self-defense. Does anyone make a "copy" of this in 9mm parabellum as opposed to 9mm short?

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  2. jakk280rem

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    i believe there are 9mm blowback pistols similar in design to the walther pp/ppk. if you gotta have a real walther though, walther did make a pp in 9x18 ultra.
     
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  3. Billy Shears

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    The only 9mm blowback pistols of which I am aware are the Hi Point, which is about as concealable as a brick with pistol grip glued to it, and the old Astra 600, which is considerably more svelte, but still not what you'd call a small gun, and is notorious for needing considerable strength to rack the slide -- it takes a strong recoil spring and/or a heavy slide to make blowback a practical system with a high-pressure cartridge like the 9mm parabellum.
     
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    Bond, in his early films carried a Walther PP in 7.65 MM Automatic.
     
  5. 9mmepiphany

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    a 9mm in size, shape and weight (he didn't say action) similar to the PPK, might be a Kahr PM9...maybe the MK9
     
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    Billy Shears -

    don't foget the Intratec DC-9 (or AB-10, depending on when it was made). but, once again, we're getting into something VERY far from a Walther LOL.

    i really think it'd be tricky to find a Walther size/weight blowback handgun in 9mm. so, OP, no i don't think there is (or will be) such a gun :(
     
  7. Mad Magyar

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    It would depend on who is handling it....:) To be frank, there are plenty of pistoleros that can't handle higher calibers....
     
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    ...and it is also true that Bond's PPK was chamber in .32 ACP (according to the books) and was forced upon him to increase his stopping power over his preferred .25 ACP Beretta.

    they actually replaced his Beretta with 2 guns. the Walther PPK for carry and a S&W Centennial in .38 spl as his heavy gun
     
  9. Billy Shears

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    IIRC, he kept a Colt Police Positive under his pillow in the novel "Casino Royale," and a "long barreled Colt .45 revolver" (presumably a Colt New Service) under the dash of his Bentley.
     
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    He also carried newer Walthers in later films. No need to limit yourself to PPK sized pieces.

    Kahr made a tiny nine, so did Colt, Kahr sued Colt and the Colt is no more.
     
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    he has been armed with the Walther P99

    in later books, he used an ASP
     
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    What about the PPS?
     
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    Walther P99. If 9mm isn't enough, you can get it in .40 if you absolutely must.

    Try the Walther P5. It's about the only single-stack, conventional 9mm DA auto STILL in production* - God bless Walther's heart. It's fatter than the PPK, as well as taller and longer, but it holds 9 9mm's, and it just looks even more gorgeous. It also was the premier Walther of the Summer of Two Bonds: Connery in Never Say Never Again and Moore in Octopussy. Tim Dalton also "borrowed" a P5 in License to Kill.


    * the SIG Sauer P239 is the only other.
     
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    Walther never made a gun in 9mm Makarov. They did produce some in the 9mm Ultra or Police, but that is a different round than the makarov.

    The closest thing to the PPK in a small 9mm may be the Rohrbaugh.

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    I to like the looks and feel of the PPK-PPK'S pistols. I have never come across a 9mm parabellum in that format. The 9x18 can be had in many different look-a-likes, ask me how I know:) I have a Kahr P9 which is close in size to the PPK but does not shoot anything like my Walthers.

    Maybe the OP would like to clarify what features he likes.
     
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    Kel Tec PF9
     
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    I want a 1911 in .380
     
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    1911 in .380? Get a Sig 238.
     
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    ^^^
    beat me to it :D
     
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    Is there such a pistol?

    You asked " Is there such a gun?
    I like the James Bond gun (Walther PPK) a lot - the size, shape, weight, etc. But I'd never trust a .380 for self-defense. Does anyone make a "copy" of this in 9mm parabellum as opposed to 9mm short?"

    I carried one such pistol for years - even though few were made (less than 6600).

    It's the Detonics Pocket Nine in 9mm Luger. The weight is about the same (it is a tad thicker), features the same DA/Sa blowback lockwork with an internal slide hold open.... even though it does not look EXACTLY like a PPK it really is a pure blowback 9mm para gun. It was designed by the Israeli Dr. Sirkis, it uses slightly modified S&W 39 mags (shortened with a new mag notch and follower). I found my gun to be accurate and reliable with the 112 gr Super-Vel softpoints and Canadian 9mm ball I fed it. Several times it shot into 2" at 25 meters.

    It saved my life on any number of occasions.

    As far as 9mm parabellum blowback pistols, here is a partial list:

    H&K VP-70Z
    Astra 600
    Astra 800 Condor
    Llama early XI
    Intratec Cat-9
    Lorcin m9
    Bryco 9mm
    Sardius SD-8
    Clairidge S-9. L9 and T9

    Several Assault Pistols in 9mm like
    KG-99
    MAC-10 & 11
    AP-9

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    There are a number of eastern european 9 mak pistols that are close to the Walther design, but then again I doubt they worried about patent infringement, nor were they nearly as small.
     
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    FEG PA-63 in 9x18 mak on top, Bersa Thunder .380 on bottom.

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    i stand corrected.
     
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    Why not the PPS, again?
     
  25. Echo9

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    I was pretty sure they made him take the .380 Walther over his Beretta -- I remember M saying something to the effect of ".380 is like throwing a brick through glass," or somethine like that. Maybe she was referring to low velocity?

    Actaully, I believe it was a fan that wrote to Ian Flemming and told him that the Beretta was a woman's gun, and suggested the PPK.
     
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