Is there such a thing as a reliable, tiny, semi-auto pistol?

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I cant speak for the Seecamps and guardians...but I hear they have a problem with stovepiping etc...

I however have an Autauga...and absolutely NO problems....If I were you, just order one, they are only 199 NiB from CDNN, if you dont like it, sell it for 250. That is what I did....Took a gamble on it....and still have it...and love it.
 
Have you noticed any dented primers on chambered rounds with your Autauga? Two different people on here have said that when they chambered a round and removed it, it would make a small dent on the primer and that kinda spooked them.
 
Whoah...I hadnt heard that one...So I tested the theory.

I jacketed a whole mag worth of Magtech HPs and RBCDs through the Autauga...I let the slide snap forward real hard, as it would when firing.

And lo and behold!! primer dents!!:what: :banghead:

Now, I cant really say that I am that concerned. I have put hundreds of rounds through the Autauga, and never any slam fires, nor have I ever heard of an Autauga slam firing, or AD when dropped...And the dents dont actually deform the metal much, it is just a small touch on the brass...I guarantee there isnt any change on the inside surface of the metal primer wall, but jeez....how weird. ALso notice how off center the little dents are....I am going to start collecting my brass from this gun from now on....But like I said, this gun hasnt even so much as stovepiped on me...and Im not real worried.

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Magtech ammo dents...are not as bad as the RBCD, maybe heavier primer wall metal...also the little design on the primer obscures the tiny dents.

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Dont look so glum....YOU dont own one!:D

But like I said, whatever...if and when I ever have problems with it...Ill call it a wash...only payed 199 for it.

Until then, I will carefully jacket a round into the chamber, and carry it proudly.
 
Might as well...they are super cheap, and for me, perfectly reliable...even WITH my limp wrists and the primer dents.
 
Well, it is more like a Seecamp, that doesnt jam, and costs way less, and is made just as nice.

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Im saying justa tad stronger, I dont think it would take much to hold it in place a little more securely....and the hammer drops pretty hard, so i am sure that it would overcome the tiny bit of extra force needed.

I think I am going to take mine to my gunsmith, have him crown the barrel, and ask him about fiddling with the firing pin spring...and maybe even ask about porting the barrel! oooh fun.
 
"What kind of tiny Berettas?

I'm not sure I've ever seen a jammed Jetfire."

Never shot a Jetfire and I don't know anyone that has one. Mostly .22s. My friend has a Beretta 21 that is pretty reliable but it stills jams once in a while. He takes it with every time we shoot and I have fired 200-300 rounds in several trips with about 3-5 jams. Not too bad for a rimfire but not what I would feel good about either.

I don't like .25s at all. It is very underpowered even compared to a .32acp. I think .32acp is about as small as I what to go for a primary carry gun. The .32 is no powerhouse but it is MUCH more powerful than a .25 or a .22lr.

I just wish my Kel-Tec P-32 worked all the time and I could trust it. :( I was happy with it until parts started breaking off it for no reason.:confused:

I love Kahr's products but I have been putting off buying the plastic frame guns until I have heard that they have solved the teething problems. I wish I knew 100 people that have fired at least 1000 rounds through their Kahr P-series guns, that would give me the confidence I need to take the chance on yet another new product that might not work. Most stuff I hear about Kahr seems positive but I have been on this rare streak of getting burned so I am leary.
 
I there such a thing...

Must be like relationships it seems, some have better luck than others.

My P-11 has been reliable since day one, I quit counting at 6K rds.
My Beretta 21 , same deal, liked the Win X22lr and Powerpoints.
Friends Taurus PT 22 , same deal, likes CCI ammo.
LEO' friends been using the Jetfire 25 ACP with no problems for years.

I got rid of a Tomcat, because some LEO's did send theirs back, a couple of times. Armour said carry not practice, and since they won't carry what they can't practice with, got rid of them. I never had a problem, sold mine to someone and used money toward a used 1911 I wanted more. I will say my Tomcat was very reliable and accurate. Just really wanted that other gun more.

I've never shot the p-32, very light. I have more experince with the pop-up Beretta's--wish they'd do the Minx again as a fun gun.
 
In connection with the Autauga and firing pin dents, you will find that all AR15s also dent their primers. Light dents shouldn't ignite the primer.

That being said, I would really question the ability of this firing pin system to prevent drop fires. If dimpling occurs just from chambering, a muzzle down drop would surely cause the firing pin to fire the round. This is a big concern with a gun that must be fished out of a pocket.

I'd take a serious look at a higher strength firing pin spring.
 
Handy, there is no way that a gun will drop to the ground with more speed thana slide snapping forward after recoil...

Remember that the only mass in this situation that matters is the mass of the firing pin...so go sell that theory somewhere else.:neener:
 
Wow, that's one ignorant statement!

The slide is buffered as it closes by both the friction of the round chambering and the extractor popping over the case rim. In other words, the slide comes to rest against the case head at a relatively low speed.

On the other hand, we know for a fact that many guns will fire if dropped on the muzzle from 3 or 4 feet. SA doesn't put Titanium firing pins in their Cali. guns for looks - they don't pass the drop test otherwise.


If you want to stick you head in the sand, fine. But muzzle drop firing is a fact with quite a few firearms, and my warning seems entirely appropriate given the reported dimpling, which almost NO pistols exhibit. :fire:
 
Wouldnt that be caused by an insufficient amount of buffering between the firing pin and the hammer? I made a mistake about the only mass being the firing pin, there is also the hammer to consider....

I dont know...I need to take that autauga apart and mess with it.

Do you think that a heavier firing pin spring would resolve this issue?
 
It shouldn't have anything to do with hammer mass as the gun is DAO, so the hammer must be resting against something as it follows the slide. Otherwise, machinegun.

As I said in that first post, the main fix is a stronger firing pin spring. That is what is used on other guns, like 1911s, when dimpling is noted.

An inertial firing pin has enough mass to detonate a primer after being accelerated a short distance by the hammer. A drop of 4 feet also imparts a great deal of inertia to the pin.
 
I dont know handy.,....Imagine it like this, place a bullet on the ground, and drop the firing pin on it.

doesnt that approzimate the force behind the firing pin during a drop?
 
I know alot of folks aren't real wild about "mouse guns" but, I have a little S&W 2213 (22lr) semi-auto that i have put several 1000 rounds through. The number of fail to fires could be counted on 1 hand. Who knows... maybe I got lucky (that does not happen to me very often). It carries well in the pocket as a Back-up to my primary CCW. Unfortunatley S&W removed it from the line-up during the "lets sue the manufactures hysteria era".
 
Arinvolvo,

Well, it could conceivably be even more force than that, as the gun and cartridge is also rebounding up, but that's about right.

Picture dropping just the pin on a primer, but doing so by dropping it down smooth tube, so it strikes right on the center of the primer.


There's a guy who posts here who made a rig for test the drop safety of his pistols, out of concern for his Keltec. Moderate drops by the KT and his 1911 both ignited primers. He did say that the 1911 pin spring was of questionable origin, though.
 
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