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Is there such thing as a handgun that can fire shotgun shells?

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by vsse, Mar 12, 2004.

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  1. vsse

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    I have seen revolvers that fire .410 shells and have fired .410s from a Bond Arms derringer. It isn't pleasant.
     
  3. Hkmp5sd

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    Yep...here's one of mine.

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  4. QuarterBoreGunner

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    Ah... and there was the not missed, very weird Thunder 5 revolver that fired .410 and .45LC shells. Can't seem to locate a picture right now, but it looked like a big flare gun. Sort of.

    edit- found one:
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  5. esheato

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    Don't forget about the T/C Contender in .45 LC/.410. Single shot, but it is a handgun.

    Ed
     
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    QuarterBoreGunner, that looks like what that weird revolver was that the dude had in Three Kings.
     
  7. QuarterBoreGunner

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    I do believe you are correct.
     
  8. Mr. Mysterious

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    Just curious, how do these skirt the minimum barrel length for shotguns?
     
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    Mr. Mysterious, The .410 is measured by caliber and not by gauge so technically it's not a 'shotgun'. That's the simple answer.
     
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    Hehe there is always the LeMat, but that doesn't shoot shells persay...
     
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    The barrel is rifled. Smooth bores must be > 18", even T/C's. This ruins the shot pattern, but makes them legal, without licensing that is. :(
     
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    Do not fall for this. The ATF definition of a shotgun has NOTHING to do with how manufacturers decide to measure their ammo. As has been said the pistols in question skirt the rules because they have a rifled barrel. Having a SMOOTH BARREL is one of the ATF definitions for an shotgun based AOW.
     
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    So I could take a rifled slug barrel cut it down to below 18" and make a Bonnie and Clyde shotgun and it would be legal because it is rifled? That just kind of seems like a gaping leap hole.

    How much would a rifled barrel mess up the pattern? I thought that short barrels kinda ruined the pattern to begin with...
     
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    You would have to use that cut down slug barrel on a receiver that is registered with the BATF as a handgun and NOT a long gun or else you are creating an SBR / SBSG.

    They gots lotsa tricks :barf:
     
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    Crazy laws, y'know?

    Might run into problems manufacturing a pistol over .50 caliber too ...
     
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    i wouldnt mind having a thunder5, just for novelty value.
     
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    Cordex,

    That is sort of correct, BUT the rifleing is an ATF requirement for ALL handguns, so that is what really makes it legal. Also it is a .45 Colt with a VERY long chamber :)

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    Dude - Did you change your post on me or am I going nuts :confused:
     
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    Sorry, Tiberius, I did change it when I remembered just what you posted. Didn't realize anyone had started to respond to it.

    (for others: my post said something like "I thought .45/.410 pistols were legal because they are actually chambered for .45LC and 'just happen' to fire .410)
     
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    Nope, pistols dont have buttstocks. You would have to take a rifled slug barrel, put it on a reciever that is "registered" as a pistol, and NEVER attach anything but a pistol grip on it. Then your probably OK. Unless your using a SEMIAUTO shotgun. Then you have weight requirments and you'd have to take off the forearm as well.
     
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    The Question of the Day...

    If you take a .410/.45LC caliber shoulder fired weapon with a rifled barrel and chop the barrel to 12 inches, does it become a short barreled rifle or short barreled shotgun? :)
     
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    Will that thing take 3 inch shells? How does the .410 stack up in terms of stopping power compared to the 45 LC?
     
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    Hkmp5sd, since it isn't a smooth-bore, it is a SBR.
     
  24. tiberius

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    Well the slugs are generally rated at 1/5 oz.(~90 gr) ay 1800 FPS from a real SG. I've seen reports that from a derringer they measure ~1000fps. That puts it in .32 ACP territory.

    The 000 would probably be the "best" for close range work, 3 .36 cal balls at low speed and low penetration though. It is listed at 1200 - 1300 FPS from a real SG, but I have no real idea for a pistol. Prob ~600 fps or so.

    I'd stick with .45 Colt for personal defense.
     
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    Back in the late 1950's I acquired a Stevens "Handi-Gun," a single-barrel, tip-up .410 shot pistol with a hammer.

    The gun had about a nine-inch barrel, as I recall, a short "fore-end," and a hand grip with a sort of extension that jutted back over the hand. It was the most inaccurate gun of all time.

    The gun was illegal even at that time and I got rid of it quickly. Traded it even-up for my S&W Chief's Special that I still have.
     
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