Is this 1903 safe to shoot?

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Once upon a time, the DCM would replace the receiver of a low number rifle sent in by an NRA member. Of course spares and takeoffs did not last forever, but in those days it was one rifle per member lifetime.

Rifle - Handloader Magazine art director Dave LeGate sacrificed several of his own to hammer and drop tests. They broke.

A friend shot an estate low number Springfield a little before hanging it on the wall.
Darn thing was brilliantly accurate. Just not worth the risk of finding a weak case the hard way.
 
Interesting.. It is a 1901 receiver, obviously unfinished and not heat treated. I wonder where they got it, and what would you do with it?
Suspect govt auction was the source after they closed springfield armory. Sarco had some oddball stuff from springfield armory years ago they said came from an old govt auction. Could have walked out via a workman too.
 
One school of thought claims just that. A Dr. named Lyons applied survival analysis and came up with estimates of the relative danger of firing them. Believe you can find that on http://m1903.com/ which has both serial numbers and times of production etc. However, others point out several things--first, the government quit keeping tabs on them after 1929. Second, they only destroyed receivers apparently when a rifle was brought in for refurbishing at armories, at least according second hand to Hatcher. Unless someone is willing to go into the morass of training accident records when the army ramped up or reports from battle use, there is no easy way to get data on failures, particularly after 1940 in govt. service. Indeed, if there were failures, things were so grim early in the war, it is possible such reports would have been squelched as the U.S. needed rifles and would not want soldiers to fear firing them. I have no idea on issuance but it is also possible that the older stuff was used, like 1917 rifles, for sentry duty, rear echelon usage, etc. After WWII, they did drop the 1903 and 1917 rifles and surplussed them to the DCM.


Dr Lyons' analysis is a hot wet mess. He applies his risk assessment against the whole population of single heat treats, and they were not all in service at the same time. Some where on my desk I found Infantry number in the 1920's. Off the top of my head, Congress authorized 40,000 infantry, but actual troop levels might have been 30 k something. And then, I would say, few of them are pulling triggers. Go on an infantry base and see how many Soldiers have rifles, and how many are shooting at any time. You probably won't see one Soldier with a rifle, and the only time they shoot, is as a unit. I recall seeing numbers to the effect of 20 rounds per year per Infantryman. Maybe less in the 1920's. Post WW1 appears to be worse than Post Vietnam. At least the Soviet Union was around to maintain some level of funding. Money was tight. One bud, his unit spend the entire month's fuel budget driving the unit to the motor pool, to be fueled!. Post WW1 appears to be worse. A guess is maybe 10,000 rifles are in use at any time, world wide.

Then, and this is an important point, Dr Lyons' assessment ignores the intrinsic characteristics of low number receivers. He assumes there is nothing about SHT receivers, the factory they were made in, that has any relevance to why they break. Reminds me of medicine before germ theory, a sort of "if she dies she dies and no one knows why". Why SHT receivers break is all about heating metal up without temperature gauges, is all about unknown steel compositions, it is all about a factory whose process controls are so sloppy that non heat treated receivers make it out the door, and into the hands of troops. But to Dr Lyons, these receivers just fail, nothing particularly note worthy when one fails, nothing particularly special about this group, just a random event unrelated any characteristic that SHT receivers have, compared to DHT or the nickle steel receivers, or the factory that made them.

And Dr Lyons is a Medical Doctor. I saw numbers that through medical mistakes, Doctors kill about 250,000 patients a year. Dr Lyons' analysis is one clue why that is happening.

Suspect govt auction was the source after they closed springfield armory.
Sedgley bought scrap M1903 SHT receivers from the Government. I read that somewhere. I also read in two places, Sedgley did not heat treat these SHT receivers, he annealed them. Which made them dead soft.

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By the 1940's, a Dope Bag article describes these rifles, but not explicitly naming Sedgley ("one of those Philadelphia outfits") as blowing up all over the place. This was well before Product Liability. You bought a dangerous product from a manufacturer, one the manufacturer knew, or should have known, and you got hurt, too bad.
 
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Dr Lyons' analysis is a hot wet mess. He applies his risk assessment against the whole population of single heat treats, and they were not all in service at the same time. Some where on my desk I found Infantry number in the 1920's. Off the top of my head, Congress authorized 40,000 infantry, but actual troop levels might have been 30 k something. And then, I would say, few of them are pulling triggers. Go on an infantry base and see how many Soldiers have rifles, and how many are shooting at any time. You probably won't see one Soldier with a rifle, and the only time they shoot, is as a unit. I recall seeing numbers to the effect of 20 rounds per year per Infantryman. Maybe less in the 1920's. Post WW1 appears to be worse than Post Vietnam. At least the Soviet Union was around to maintain some level of funding. Money was tight. One bud, his unit spend the entire month's fuel budget driving the unit to the motor pool, to be fueled!. Post WW1 appears to be worse. A guess is maybe 10,000 rifles are in use at any time, world wide.

Then, and this is an important point, Dr Lyons' assessment ignores the intrinsic characteristics of low number receivers. He assumes there is nothing about SHT receivers, the factory they were made in, that has any relevance to why they break. Reminds me of medicine before germ theory, a sort of "if she dies she dies and no one knows why". Why SHT receivers break is all about heating metal up without temperature gauges, is all about unknown steel compositions, it is all about a factory whose process controls are so sloppy that non heat treated receivers make it out the door, and into the hands of troops. But to Dr Lyons, these receivers just fail, nothing particularly note worthy when one fails, nothing particularly special about this group, just a random event unrelated any characteristic that SHT receivers have, compared to DHT or the nickle steel receivers, or the factory that made them.

And Dr Lyons is a Medical Doctor. I saw numbers that through medical mistakes, Doctors kill about 250,000 patients a year. Dr Lyons' analysis is one clue why that is happening.

Sedgley bought scrap M1903 SHT receivers from the Government. I read that somewhere. I also read in two places, Sedgley did not heat treat these SHT receivers, he annealed them. Which made them dead soft.

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By the 1940's, a Dope Bag article describes these rifles, but not explicitly naming Sedgley ("one of those Philadelphia outfits") as blowing up all over the place. This was well before Product Liability. You bought a dangerous product from a manufacturer, one the manufacturer knew, or should have known, and you got hurt, too bad.
Wow. Scary stuff.
 
The Swiss 89/96 was for too weak of an action for the 30-06.

Gotta love Swiss engineers. It took them all the way until 1911 to figure that out. Of course, they had time to do that because of the old Swiss firing line joke.

"The Germans outnumber us three to one!"

"All right, stop complaining, here are three cartridges."
 
The 1903 Springfield stands out in my mind as the rifleman's monument to government screw-ups. The soldiers who got 1917's instead, and that was most of them, got the better rifle. At least they got a sight they could use at some reasonable distance without unfolding something.

The M1 Garand was also delayed and marred by nitpickers with rank. It is not as good a rifle as it would have been if delivered as designed.

We got better arms when we said (McNamara era) we will entertain offers from private industry.
 
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