Is this a common assumption?

[Jubei]

I have just about given up trying to "reach" the antis. I find a lot more entertainment in trying to give them a coronary. Whenever I hear something inane like "all life is sacred", I like to counter with "no, all life is transitory. I'm just helping with natural selection."

I know it's not the proper thing to do, but it is hilarious watching them turn 8 shades of red and that little vein in their temple just about burst.

Jubei

 

[Vernal45]

Is this a common assumption?

he assumed that since I go shooting, I must be a killer

Yes, its common for brain dead screwtards to think that way, thats they way they were told to think.

 

[model 649]

Reminds me (the logic) of a funny interview some years back by a woman admonishing some sort of teacher or maybe an ROTC officer that by teaching his group to shoot with rifles that he was "creating killers". As I recall, he responded with " well, you have equipment and the knowledge, are you a prostitute?" Ended the interview. Ignorance and arrogance are a deadly combination all around the world, throughout history. Good luck with this guy.
"Don't argue with idiots, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with stupidity" (another saying that comes to mind here).
Josh

 

[1911JMB]

I think thats quite common. My parents for instance are hippies. When I was younger, I managed to talk some sence in to my dad, but my mom just couldn't understand that law abiding civilians with guns prevent crime. She still donates to the brady bunch, and no matter how many times I explained it to her, she still thought Clinton assault weapons were evil and had to go, as should all guns but especially "assault weapons". Some people can't be convinced.

 

[middy]

It's funny when liberals occasionally break out words like "sacred" when most of them sneer at Christians, and many haven't been to church or even prayed since they were children.

Proper response: "So, you're a 'Pro-Lifer'?"

 

[Shane333]

Well, a little more background.

This coworker really is a good hearted person (if perhaps misdirected). He devoted 2 & 1/2 years of his life to helping people in Zimbabwe as part of the Peace Corps. He's a devoted husband and father, etc.

He also softened his stance as he talked to me. I'm a pretty friendly, outgoing, cleancut, and non-threatening guy.

Anyway, Chris (the coworker) went on to say that he's really ok with people who own firearms...just not, "those people who think they have to have an uzi or bazooka to defend their home." I better not tell him about my AK yet.

If I can get him to go shooting with me the next time he comes out, I'll teach him with my .22 lever action Marlin. Depending on how that goes, I may move him up to my bolt action Mauser.



Here's something else that I thought was ironic. Chris, on a couple of occasions, joked, "If I go ballistic, so-and-so better watch out..." He was very clearly joking when he made these remarks, but I still found it disturbing. I'd never make such a remark, yet he didn't even think twice about it. I've become much more careful of my speech and actions since I became a firearm owner. Something about understanding the responsibility that comes with firearms.

Perhaps people who are uneducated about firearms don't realize the gravity of making idle threats.

 

[Sharps Shooter]

Shane, we seem to have a slightly different philosophy. Believe me - I'm not criticizing yours, but please try to understand mine. You wrote you "have become more careful of my speech and actions since I became a firearm owner." See the thing is, I've been around guns my whole life and I'm 57 years old. By the time the 1968 GCA was passed, I already owned a few guns, in fact, I was already in the service. My folks gave me my first .22 rifle for my 10th birthday in 1958. Of course, they were responsible enough to not allow me to take it out except under their direct supervision for several years, but I was a "firearm owner" long before the antis decided that because I own guns, I'm some kind of sick, fanatical killer who has no respect for life. The antis attacked me and mine; I didn't go after them.

All life is sacred? It seems to me if I go out in the garden and pull a carrot out of the ground, I've killed it. And as someone pointed out, even vegetarians wear leather belts and shoes. I practice, use powerful enough guns, and work up loads for the purpose of killing more quickly and sometimes, at greater distances. Dad always says; " You don't shoot something to wound it." I don't like to kill animals, and I sure wouldn't want to have to kill another human being. But I eat meat and reality is - there are people in this world who have absolutely no qualms about killing me or someone I love. I'll make no apologies to someone who is willing to pay others for doing their killing for them.

 

[Poodleshooter]

You have to love how folks who don't accept the idea of killing as ever being morally right like to try to compromise and "move towards the middle" with statements like this:
"he's really ok with people who own firearms...just not, "those people who think they have to have an uzi or bazooka to defend their home." "
Many who disagree with all forms of killing know full well that the majority of human beings accept the need to kill in at least some circumstance,and they don't want to come off sounding nuts in a conversation,so they seek some kind of middle ground.

Bottomline, a person has to accept that killing (of humans or animals) can be morally right in some circumstances before they can accept that owning firearms is right. Without that common agreement, there can be no reasoning about firearms ownership.
Work from the base up to change his opinions.

 

[svtruth]

Sacred Life

I am a Biologist, and I have killed lots of lab animals. I feel it is my sacred duty to do so only when necessary, humanely, and extract the maximum information from that animal's sacred life.
Same reasoning for food.

 

[pezo]

Alot of anti's also think if you buy a gun your in a paranoid fear of your life. They dont understand the sporting or collecting joy firearms owners have. theirs also a belief the more guns you buy the more paranoid or pshyco you get. these steriotypes drive me nuts. I tend to dislike dumb people and anti's fit that discription.

 

[ksnecktieman]

Is there something wrong with a paranoid fear of your life?

Guns can be toys, or income producing tools (for criminals), or offensive or defensive killing machines.toys,, sporting or collecting is good,,, but basically firearms are killing machines, and target practice or shooting competitions are nothing more than practicing to kill.

I approve,,,, we should be fast and accurate if and when we have to respond to an emergency. I am sure that we all hope we will never have to pull the pin from our fire extinguisher, or pull the trigger on our defensive firearm. In the world we would like to live in we would need neither seat belts, fire extinguishers, or firearms,,,,,,, This is not a perfect world.

 

[Shootcraps]

That's what a lot of them think. They also think gun owners use their guns to settle all disputes, even over parking spaces or arguments with their spouses. Pretty stupid assumptions.

 

[wanderinwalker]

Sounds like this dude ranks right up there with the people who say "Assault rifles are evil and unnecessary." When I mention to them that what to them is an assault rifle is to me a target rifle (AR-15 with a few tricks), they say, "Oh, I mean machine guns." Don't bother to explain that machine guns can be legally owned, though expensive as sin, people just don't get it.

Same sorts of people think that because I like to fish means I torture fish. When I tell them you can catch a trout in a pool, walk away, come back in an hour and catch it again, they don't believe me. But it is true.

And then there is hunting. I love to wingshoot, though I am terrible and don't do it very often (it has taken me 6 years to hit a grouse and a mallard). I don't see it as all that abusive, but there are people who think it is cruel and unusual.

 

[thorn726]

yeah it pretty muych seems like most people figure having a gun means being willing to kill if necessary, but that if you dont have one you will never need one-
that it is better to get shot and die than shoot back
???????
ooops that's usually where they stumble a bit.

most folks i know are basically against guns cuz they dont trust themsleves with them, or have small children.

i think i big part of the fear is to have a gun means to train with a gun means to be in a killing state of mind. they dont understand plinking a target is just plain fun.

 

[CentralTexas]

Vegetarian bashing

I get so tired of crap like this-

"Most vegetarians are hypocrites, they will tell you they don't eat meat, but a surprising number eat eggs (unborn chickens), they wear leather belts and/or shoes, there are exceptions of course."

Th majority of vegetarians you don't know about about unless you eat with them. Sure, some are fadish hypocrites and wear leather, they should be killed and you have my permission.

Would you like it if I started saying things like there are more meat eaters in jail than vegetarians? More meat eaters are liars/pedophiles/nazis etc?
There are exceptions of course, not all meat eaters are scum etc????
Ack!
CT

 

[Texian Pistolero]

It's like,

so MANY of these liberal dweebs get off on dissin' the BIG oil companies,

but all I need to ask is, like,

"how did you EVEN GET HERE this morning, dude?"

Like , if you didn't WALK, or BYCYCLE, or SKATEBOARD,

It's like "close your CAKEHOLE you idiot child hypocrite!!!!!"

(For the record, I REALLY DON"T like oil companies,)

Yet still,

I know how to pick up a Big Chief tablet,

and a Crayola crayon of my own choosing,

and , like,

you know,

DRAW!

AND:

connect the dots.

Pretend that this is a graded exercise, dudes.

 

[Too Many Choices!?]

KSnecktieman....

Your perfect world is nothing like mine ! In my perfect world we all get an MP5/or a true assalult rifle for turning 21 :evil. We simplyt wouldn't have the desire or need to use it on anything except target practice, 'cause even without selfdefense, plinking is still fun !

 

[ksnecktieman]

I agree with guns for fun,,, modify my statement by adding this?

I am sure that we all hope we will never have to pull the pin from our fire extinguisher, or pull the trigger on our defensive firearm,,,,,,,, EXCEPT IN PRACTICE?

 

[whm1974]

I have been told that here in Ohio I am not allowed to:
1. Purchase a gun without government permission.
2. Have a gun in my house (ok, where else am I going to keep it?)
3. Have a gun in my car or truck.
4. Carry a gun on my person.
5. Own and store a large (unspecified) amount of ammo.

I have heard some of the same stuff in IL. For fun try to see what they considered what is a large amount of ammo.

Perhaps people who are uneducated about firearms don't realize the gravity of making idle threats.

If someone made an idle threat to do a person in and something happends to that person, then he is now a subspect. He now looks real bad if he had the means to back up his threat.

-Bill

 

[LaVere]

A new title for guns

My life preservers list.

Lets see.... I have a life jacket in my boat, seat bealts and bags on my car.
locks on my doors, and oh yes a 9mm on my hip. Should I have more ?

 

[GD]

Liberal

To a liberal, all life is sacred except for:
1) An unborn baby
2) A handicapped person like Terry Schiavo
3) Tim McVeigh
4) Anyone who does not spout their party line

Failure to protect a fellow human being is hardly what I would call "respecting life".

 

[geekWithA.45]

Yeah, when I lived in Jersey, I had a liberal colleage describe my FID as a "license to kill", as if it entitled me to go off on a killing spree.

I explained to him that he and I had exactly the same rights of self defense: that killing another was only justified to prevent that person from killing you or your loved ones.

Then I rubbed salt into the wound, by remarking that while we each had exactly the same right of self defense, only one of us had the MEANS with which to implement that defense.

It started him thinking.

 

[gunsmith]

I hardly ever eat meat & was a total vegetarian for 15years

I've never supported gun control.
I will eat fish & fowl now but really prefer veggie food.
I was in Rainbow health food store getting vitamins and organic veggies one time and the person in line glared at me (NRA hat was on )& asked "your in the NRA?" I said "yes mam,life member!" & she wanted to know "if I like killing aninals" I said no "that I would never kill an animal,they don't piss me off like people do"....
for some reason the conversation stopped there.
oh yeah I guy working there stopped me one time and said (well whispered)
"I have a 30-06 and go hunting all the time"

 

[Andrew Rothman]

GD, this is an inappropriate post of the kind that gets threads shut down. Best keep it to the subject at hand.

Liberal
To a liberal, all life is sacred except for:
1) An unborn baby
2) A handicapped person like Terry Schiavo
3) Tim McVeigh
4) Anyone who does not spout their party line

Failure to protect a fellow human being is hardly what I would call "respecting life".

 

[Typhoon]

Shane wrote:

Perhaps people who are uneducated about firearms don't realize the gravity of making idle threats.

And geek wrote:

Then I rubbed salt into the wound, by remarking that while we each had exactly the same right of self defense, only one of us had the MEANS with which to implement that defense.

I've been a firearms owner for over 20 years. I, too, grew up with them. However, in this day and age, I am careful about how I phrase my displeasure with someone. Rather than saying, "I am just going to have to shoot him/her/them," I just say, "I'll have my 6'8" cousin beat them up..."

Just kidding, but not really. I do watch my language, though...