Fingers McGee
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None of the above. Pellets reportedly don't work too good in revolvers. Find some Goex fffg and you'll have a more harmonious outcome.
FM
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Is this OK for a 1st BP pistol?
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WHAT?!! No Israeli Desert Eagle .357?....You're actually going to pick one of them ol' Remington '58's? My My!!....Good gun hombre. Enloy....
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You want one os the following. Triple 7, fff granulation. Any brand of black powder in fff granulation. Or Pyrodex P. You will likely find that pellets won't work well in revolvers. DO NOT under any circumstances use any smokeless powder! You will almost surely live to regret it. Or not. Seriously, don't use any sort of smokeless powder. If you try,you will very likely turn your revolver into a fragmentation grenade.
I don't think any of those powders are for BP revolvers....you need Black powder or a substitute like Pyrodex, 777 or Pinnacle.
The powders your dealer has are smokeless nitro based powders....much more gas, quicker burn and higher pressures...not for use in BP replicas.
The powders your dealer has are smokeless nitro based powders....much more gas, quicker burn and higher pressures...not for use in BP replicas.
The Pyrodex pellets and Triple 7 pellets are black powder substitutes and safe to use in a percussion revolver. However, most people find that the pellet formulation does not work well in a revolver.
All the other powders are smokeless and are DANGEROUS in a percussion black powder revolver. NEVER, under any circumstances, use a smokeless powder in a black powder gun.
All the other powders are smokeless and are DANGEROUS in a percussion black powder revolver. NEVER, under any circumstances, use a smokeless powder in a black powder gun.
BHP FAN
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Ask if he has any Triple Seven 2f or 3f ''loose'' powder. Pellets are inconsistent in a revolver.
found some powder?
I think I found some Powder for my 1858 Remmie 44 cal.
what do you think?---Gander Mt. is about 30 miles from me.
http://search.gandermountain.com/?D=FFFG&Nty=1&N=0&Dk=0&Ntt=FFFG
Jim Shockey or American Pioneer?
Thanks!
stash
I think I found some Powder for my 1858 Remmie 44 cal.
what do you think?---Gander Mt. is about 30 miles from me.
http://search.gandermountain.com/?D=FFFG&Nty=1&N=0&Dk=0&Ntt=FFFG
Jim Shockey or American Pioneer?
Thanks!
stash
Most of the powders you listed are smokeless powders and you MUST NOT use them in a BP pistol. Use black powder or 777 or an equivalent ONLY. Keep all your fingers.
I use 25gr of 777 in mine and it works great. You can load up to about 30gr with no trouble. I would also suggest you make some lube pellets. I mixed 50/50 bee's honey and crisco with a little mineral oil and melted it in a pan. Then I poured it onto a baking sheet and let it cool. Then I used a 45acp shell to ouch out little discs and I keep them in a tupperware in the fridge. I have enought for about 100yrs worth of shooting and I only used about half of my wax. I load 25gr of powder, the ball, and one disc on top. It shoots great. Its a lot less messy than bore butter or crisco if its hot outside. Here is a little vid of me shooting my Remmy. I had a little problem early on with one cylinder that would drop the spent cap on my hand. I have since fixed that.
They are a lot of work to load but they shoot great and they are really neat guns. I would love to get more of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFGar_g4oCc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5TF3qmrhiE
I use 25gr of 777 in mine and it works great. You can load up to about 30gr with no trouble. I would also suggest you make some lube pellets. I mixed 50/50 bee's honey and crisco with a little mineral oil and melted it in a pan. Then I poured it onto a baking sheet and let it cool. Then I used a 45acp shell to ouch out little discs and I keep them in a tupperware in the fridge. I have enought for about 100yrs worth of shooting and I only used about half of my wax. I load 25gr of powder, the ball, and one disc on top. It shoots great. Its a lot less messy than bore butter or crisco if its hot outside. Here is a little vid of me shooting my Remmy. I had a little problem early on with one cylinder that would drop the spent cap on my hand. I have since fixed that.
They are a lot of work to load but they shoot great and they are really neat guns. I would love to get more of them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFGar_g4oCc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5TF3qmrhiE
hogshead
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Pay the extra 20 or so dollars for adjustable sights you will be glad u did.
arcticap
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Loading 35 grains of American Pioneer fffg and compressing it
shoots strong but the recoil is still mild. Even 25 & 30 grains will
shoot through a 2 inch spruce plank.
Photos courtesy of cayugad.
shoots strong but the recoil is still mild. Even 25 & 30 grains will
shoot through a 2 inch spruce plank.
Photos courtesy of cayugad.
I shoot the same revolver as you. And it is the same target
model as you describe. I even shoot the same powder as I
found clean up was much easier, and I could shoot longer.
My load is 30 grains of APP 3f, a felt wad, then the .451 ball
and then I grease the cylinders to avoid the chain fires. I find
this a lot of fun to shoot on a nice afternoon. Also the power
of that load is surprising as well. That is a two inch spruce
plank I was shooting through.
http://huntingnet.com/forum/black-powder/295484-loading-shooting-1858-remington.html
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Smokin_Gun
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Go here and order some fffg Black powder... don't use smokeless powders in a BP C&B revolver.
http://www.powderinc.com/
or
Google Black Powder
http://www.google.com/search?q=Blac...=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&rlz=1I7ADRA_en
http://www.powderinc.com/
or
Google Black Powder
http://www.google.com/search?q=Blac...=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&rlz=1I7ADRA_en
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powderinc.com
I'm with Smokin gun on this one. Go to www.powderinc.com and get real bp. I only use Goex BP and these guys have a great price on it.
If you are mostly interested in target shooting I'd shoot a lighter (and arguably more accurate) load. Mine likes between 18-20 grains FFF. 30 is a stout load and just wastes powder. I'd also suggest the .454 balls. When you load them they will cut a nice lead ring and form a good seal (although I always follow with Crisco.) About the sights..... I'm a target shooter who appreciates nice adjustable sights, but when I'm shooting BP I want authenticity. Sure it's tough shooting with the original (and primitive) sights, but if you want to get a sense of the good ole' days, that's what I'd suggest.
To get started you will need a couple of things. Besides powder, ball, caps and gun, you'll need a nipple wrench (with vent pick) which fits your gun, a pistol powder measure (never load directly from a powder flask or powder can), powder flask, and some lubed wads and or crisco. By the way, Crisco is messy, but that's one of the fun things about bp.....you get your hands dirty. But when I use Crisco I don't have a problem with fouling during the shoot.
Anyway, welcome to the world of BP. There is loads of good info on this sight......read everything you can (there are also some good vids on YOUTUBE) and have a ball.
Happy Shooting!
I'm with Smokin gun on this one. Go to www.powderinc.com and get real bp. I only use Goex BP and these guys have a great price on it.
If you are mostly interested in target shooting I'd shoot a lighter (and arguably more accurate) load. Mine likes between 18-20 grains FFF. 30 is a stout load and just wastes powder. I'd also suggest the .454 balls. When you load them they will cut a nice lead ring and form a good seal (although I always follow with Crisco.) About the sights..... I'm a target shooter who appreciates nice adjustable sights, but when I'm shooting BP I want authenticity. Sure it's tough shooting with the original (and primitive) sights, but if you want to get a sense of the good ole' days, that's what I'd suggest.
To get started you will need a couple of things. Besides powder, ball, caps and gun, you'll need a nipple wrench (with vent pick) which fits your gun, a pistol powder measure (never load directly from a powder flask or powder can), powder flask, and some lubed wads and or crisco. By the way, Crisco is messy, but that's one of the fun things about bp.....you get your hands dirty. But when I use Crisco I don't have a problem with fouling during the shoot.
Anyway, welcome to the world of BP. There is loads of good info on this sight......read everything you can (there are also some good vids on YOUTUBE) and have a ball.
Happy Shooting!
Just got it!
Just received the 1858 remmie. Boy that thing is oiled to the hill from the factory. After wiping it down I examined it closely and found it to be fine, no marks or scratches, etc. Is there anything else I should check with a new BP gun?
It's the one from Cabelas the 1858 New Army Remmie. Are there any trouble spots with the gun I should pay attention to or examine more closely. Cosmetically it appears to be fine!!
thanks
Stash
Just received the 1858 remmie. Boy that thing is oiled to the hill from the factory. After wiping it down I examined it closely and found it to be fine, no marks or scratches, etc. Is there anything else I should check with a new BP gun?
It's the one from Cabelas the 1858 New Army Remmie. Are there any trouble spots with the gun I should pay attention to or examine more closely. Cosmetically it appears to be fine!!
thanks
Stash
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Had a post that wouldn't load!!!
After typing in along post this quick post wouldn't be accepted. That is bum!
Something about having logged on after loading the page or somethinglikethat.
Anyway I am getting the same gun as Don357, a .44 1851 capandball revolver for $119 at Cabela's. Should get it next week.
Paul
After typing in along post this quick post wouldn't be accepted. That is bum!
Something about having logged on after loading the page or somethinglikethat.
Anyway I am getting the same gun as Don357, a .44 1851 capandball revolver for $119 at Cabela's. Should get it next week.
Paul
I might have spoken too soon. I was examining the nipples and it seems one of them is plugged. It’s almost looks like it was never drilled completely, not dirty or clogged I can see steel in the center. Anyway what would you do?.. I already went to Cabela's and they do not sell replacement nipples “OEM” only stainless steel. I do see however they have replacement cylinders and they have nipples included with them. I wonder if Cablelas would swap cylinders with me. It’s foolish to send in the complete gun for something so small. Or maybe I should just go get some at BassPro----They have Pietta replacements for 11.99 for a 3 pack. Thoughts?
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Stick a small nail or punch down through the nipple to make sure it is actually plugged. It's actually been a while since I messed with my cap lock firearms but if memory serves me well the actual opening on the chamber end of the nipple is smaller than the cap end so you will need something smaller than the opening at the top of the nipple in order to push it all the way through. If it is actually plugged or they failed to drill it all the way through you can probably get a drill bit the size of the inside hole on the nipples and then just drill it on out.
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Cabela's doesn't sell single nipples; they do sell a set of 6 for $20.
You need a metric thread nipple: M6x0.75; many sutlers sell them individually for about $5, plus shipping. By the time you get through with shipping costs you might just as well buy the 6 pack from Cabela's.
You need a metric thread nipple: M6x0.75; many sutlers sell them individually for about $5, plus shipping. By the time you get through with shipping costs you might just as well buy the 6 pack from Cabela's.
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Yes--I saw that in Cabelas--but they are stainless steel not blued. Maybe the SS is better. I just might call Cabelas and maybe they wil give me a break on the pack of six??--I'll let you know.
UPDATE:---I emailed Pietta---makers of the gun, and they said they will ship me some nipples next week!. I believe they are in Italy.
Stash
Yes--I saw that in Cabelas--but they are stainless steel not blued. Maybe the SS is better. I just might call Cabelas and maybe they wil give me a break on the pack of six??--I'll let you know.
UPDATE:---I emailed Pietta---makers of the gun, and they said they will ship me some nipples next week!. I believe they are in Italy.
Stash
Hodgdon 777 OK for 1858 Remmie?
Fellow BP shooters
Need your assist again. Found this powder at Basspro, I realy do not want to mail order powder, too expensive Has.Mat. etc. right now. I am just starting so I'll keep it simple.
Is this power OK?------What is a good grain to load for target and plinking? It says it's hot so I do not want to overload my 1858 New Army Remmie. I assume first time out should be a lower grain load?
Thanks!!
Stash
Powder specs.:
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Hodgdon 777
This powder was designed for hunters trying to get more volume. It is really hot, 15% hotter than Goex Cowboy, for example.
It has all of the advantages of APP above. However, Hodgdon is adamant that it not be used with fillers or wads other than as specified in their website, which usually means one Wonder Wad. This makes for hot ammunition.
This is probably the most popular of the three non-SPG substitutes, mostly because of availability. Most SASS members using it are loading it "out of book," meaning violating some of the severe loading restrictions Hodgdon puts on it. Is routinely downloaded using wads or fillers despite the restrictions.
Fellow BP shooters
Need your assist again. Found this powder at Basspro, I realy do not want to mail order powder, too expensive Has.Mat. etc. right now. I am just starting so I'll keep it simple.
Is this power OK?------What is a good grain to load for target and plinking? It says it's hot so I do not want to overload my 1858 New Army Remmie. I assume first time out should be a lower grain load?
Thanks!!
Stash
Powder specs.:
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Hodgdon 777
This powder was designed for hunters trying to get more volume. It is really hot, 15% hotter than Goex Cowboy, for example.
It has all of the advantages of APP above. However, Hodgdon is adamant that it not be used with fillers or wads other than as specified in their website, which usually means one Wonder Wad. This makes for hot ammunition.
This is probably the most popular of the three non-SPG substitutes, mostly because of availability. Most SASS members using it are loading it "out of book," meaning violating some of the severe loading restrictions Hodgdon puts on it. Is routinely downloaded using wads or fillers despite the restrictions.
As long as you do not use smokeless powder you cannot overload your Remington. It will take anything you can stuff into it with real black powder or any of the black powder substitutes, including 777. A good starting load with 777 would be 20 grains by volume (always measure 777 by volume ONLY).
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