Is this where traffic cameras are headed?

[R-Tex12]

I guess it's a good thing she wasn't adjusting her "unmentionables", else she'd be charged with lewd & lascivious conduct.

Is England beyond hope? In our own country, what would happen in (insert name of state here) if you were photographed moving your CCW from one place of concealment to another? Never mind, I guess it would no longer be concealed in that case.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...1770&ico=Homepage&icl=TabModule&icc=News&ct=5


Woman fined for putting make-up on at wheel


A woman was caught on police video putting on her make-up while driving at 32mph has been fined £200.

Donna Maddock, 22, from Mold in north Wales, was pictured with both hands off the steering wheel putting on her eye make-up.

Magistrates in Pwlhelli fined Ms Maddock £200 plus £55 costs after she pleaded guilty to a charge of careless driving.

She was also given six points on her licence. A spokeswoman for North Wales Police said the incident "beggars belief".

She said: "A car is a dangerous lump of metal in the wrong hands.

"You need to be in control at all times and Miss Maddock's actions beggars belief."

Ms Maddock was pictured on police video cameras holding a compact mirror and an eye brush while driving along the A499 in Pwllheli in north Wales.

According to the Arrive Alive road safety organisation, based in north Wales, 41 people were injured or killed on the A499 between 2001 and 2003.

Roger Vincent, a spokesman for the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents, branded Ms Maddock "irresponsible".

He said: "It is frightening to think what could have happened as she was driving along without her hands on the wheel particularly as this is such an accident blackspot.

"She was putting her own life at risk and the lives of other people just for the sake of applying her make-up.

"People seem to do all sorts of bizarre things in their cars. Nowadays, there are enough distractions without motorists literally making up their own.

"But this does show that people who behave in such an irresponsible way will get caught."



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

[DRZinn]

In answer to the original question:

Yes.

 

[mrmeval]

While there are English people who are redeemable their system of government is not.

 

[shermacman]

Is England beyond hope?

England, as all of Europe, is so immersed in the history of feudal rule that they are beyond hope of democracy. They seem to yearn for someone to rule them, it appears that the next line of authority will be Islamic.

 

[XLMiguel]

Dumbitch was driving with no hands. How happy would you be if she hit your kid because she felt doing her make-up was more important than paying attention?

Though I understand the question of cameras and so on, the idiot was truly a threat. I have absolutely no sympathy for anyone who is driving distracted - eating, drinking, cellphone, shaving, make-up, nose-picking, whatever. Do the math, 3500# vehicle @ 70 mph (107 fps)= serious energy/damage potential (374500 ft/lb). Don't even point that thing at me or mine -

 

[Lucky]

England sounds like a lovely place to visit, lol.

To be fair, the article said 32 mph, where I am that's 50kph, and that's the speed you drive on residential streets. You can stop in a few car-lengths.

What's scariest is that they either have intelligent software to monitor not only traffic, but the people in the cars, or they are paying armies of people to do it!

Gee, I wonder why it's illegal to have tinted windows? As soon as people started accepting the lie that you have no expectation of privacy when in public, that's when it is lost.

 

[LAK]

Make no mistake; all this is exactly what is in store for us here under the current political oligarchy.

-------------------------------------

http://ussliberty.org
http://ssunitedstates.org

 

[Jammer Six]

Is this where traffic cameras are headed?

I certainly hope so.

 

[steveno]

there are "speed" and "stop light" cameras in Ft. Collins so they are here too. it just depends on how big brother wants to use them

 

[K-Romulus]

another story to the list

A few weeks back the local free daily paper had a blurb about a guy in the UK who was driving well under the speed limit but "made a rude gesture" at the speed camera as he drove by. A half hour after he got home, two UK LEO's showed up to ticket him for "antisocial behaviour."

I couldn't find an internet link to the story . . .

 

[jer1949]

Sorry-I won't jump on this bandwagon

About 12 years ago a very close friend of mine was killed doing that exact same thing. Had she been spotted, brought to court, scolded and fined like that, we could be having a beer and laughing about stupid stuff we did 12 years ago rather than me visiting her grave on memorial day.

 

[SSN Vet]

What's done in public?

is PUBLIC!

Public roads are PUBLIC places.

I was the 6th car to come upon a bad accident on Tuesday, in which a cell phone taliking woman rear ended a 63 year old man in a pick up who was stopped at a RR crossing for the high speed Amtrack that connects Portland, ME to Boston.

She hit him so hard she pushed him onto the tracks!! Fortunately he was able to get his car off the tracks just before the train came through! But the paramedics then had to take him to the ER on a girney

Less than 6 months ago, the exact same thing happened in Epping, NH. The woman who was rear ended in that acccident couldn't get her car restarted or the drivers side door open. She had to crawl accross and exit via. the passnengers side, just seconds before the train creamed her car.

DISTRACTED DRIVERS ARE KILLING PEOPLE EVERY DAY....THEY SHOULD GET KNOW MORE SYMPATHY THAN THE STINKING DRUNK WHO TAKES OUT THE MINI-VAN FULL KIDDOS AND THEIR MOMMY!

 

[clasiter]

Is England beyond hope?

I do not believe England is beyond hope, they just need to follow our lead and kick the English out of their country.

 

[Tulsa Shooter]

Around here we've had cameras on the stop lights for a while, they say they are to monitor the flow of traffic. Well in the past few weeks they have put additional red light cameras up, run a red light $200 ticket. They are everywhere to now, almost every traffic light has one, I know that in the neighboring town the police monitor the traffic flow cameras, and can zoom in very close. For an example if you had a open book sitting in the seat, they could read the page you were on. I personally don't like all the cameras, a study of the red light cameras shows that they cause something like 47% more wrecks in an intersection than without the cameras.

 

[ArmedBear]

Are there ANY checks and balances in place, Tulsa, to prevent misuse of these cameras?

And do you people understand that, were there no Bill of Rights, the cops would have an easier time, too?

We are willing to accept that law enforcement in our society is more difficult than it was in Saddam's Iraq, FOR A DAMNED GOOD REASON!

The fact that driver inattention is a serious problem does NOT automatically justify this surveillance. When driver inattention is almost entirely unenforced by real, live cops, I don't believe we need to build Big Brother to do it. Let's enforce the law conventionally first, at least.

 

[El Tejon]

When a bureaucracy loses sight of its goal, it redoubles its efforts.

The police must always find rationales for their existence. Empire building is not exactly new.

 

[gunsmith]

Eurabia is a lost cause

like someone said, they yearn for a strict boss and they are getting one.
I lived over there for two years , they have zero tradition of free speech, self defense and free press.

 

[Zedicus]

I do not believe England is beyond hope, they just need to follow our lead and kick the English out of their country.

reminds me of the line from "Quigly Down under" "We allready ran all the misssfits out of America, we sent em back to England!"

 

[dm1333]

Tulsa shooter, I'm curious how the cameras cause more accidents at the intersections? I live in CA and ride my bike or motorcycle to work nearly everyday. I'm tired of morons with cell phones who don't even look for oncoming traffic or slow down at red lights while they make a right turn on red. Why not a gun attached to the camera, you run the light and get shot? Red lights are so optional here that I have been made fun of for stopping at a light while commuting on my bike!

 

[gunsmith]

cameras cause more accidents

because they time the yellow shorter then regular cameras to get more revenue..also they cause people to stop short and cause more rear end collisions.
I was a bay area motorcycle messenger and I know what you mean about car drivers there.

 

[jazurell]

Red light cameras increase accidents.
Changing the timing on red lights eliminates most infractions....plenty of reference data and studies here:
http://www.motorists.org/issues/enforce/studies.html

 

[azredhawk44]

We just had a city (Scottsdale) put traffic cameras on an Arizona State Highway (101). There is a big fight over who should get revenues for speeding tickets.

Since the cameras have gone in, average speed has gone down, but idiots weaving between cars tightly have increased!

There is proposed legislation to eliminate these cameras in the AZ legislature for the following reasons:

1. Cameras do not stop drunk or impaired drivers and cannot detect drivers weaving or other irregular behavior.
2. Cameras do not stop speeding drivers and immediately remove the hazard from the road.
3. Since the cameras have gone in, they have issued over 500 citations a day. With this much speeding in this area, there should be a flotilla of motorcycle cops pulling people over and being visible.
4. Night time flashes of the camera are an impairment to the vision of safe drivers. If someone passes you at 80mph while you do 70mph, the camera blinds both of you.

Our cameras are currently set to flash at 76mph. The speed limit is 65mph. I imagine that once tickets drop to below 100 a day, the cameras will be set to flash at 71mph. Then lower again. And again. Finally, on rainy days it will be set to 55mph.

They are a revenue scam / backdoor tax.

 

[Flyboy]

K-Romulus:

Simon Thompson was surprised when two British cops knocked on his door, and he says he was stunned when he found the reason for their visit. They gave him a ticket for flashing the finger at a traffic speed camera a half hour earlier. They said he made an offensive gesture, a violation of the Public Order Act. Thompson didn't get a ticket for speeding, however: He was driving under the limit.

http://reason.com/brickbats/bb-2006.shtml

Are you sure you're showing enough respect to your masters?

 

[Lucky]

SSN Vet
" What's done in public?
is PUBLIC!

Public roads are PUBLIC places."

I challenge that.

99.999999% of the world is not your property. If you live in an apartment you are therefore only free in 700 square feet of property? You realize that a park is public, too? If you go camping, and find people rummaging through your tent, your vehicle, your cooler, will you really accept their presence simply because you are in public, and have no expectation of privacy?

Dude wake up, 'Public Good' is a pretty scary catch-phrase.

 

[Iain]

Well, according to the Sun article linked to by Flyboy's link the gesture was made at police officers, not at a fixed speed camera. Can you give the police the bird in the US?

Funny thread though. I sure hope to learn how to generalise as well as some of you.