Is XD the only gun that won’t fire if it is out of battery?

[new_steyr1]

Is XD the only gun that won’t fire if it is out of battery?

Edit:
Just to clarify why I'm asking this.

I believe this is a valuable safety feature and Springfield presumably knowing this advertises this feature as a selling point for XD while other manufacturers do not, thus making me wonder if other guns by a) design do not b) reliably fire when out of battery.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Lots of things wont' fire if not in battery.

The FN Five Seven was specifically targeted a while back as being able to fire out of battery after some goofball blew one up with handloads.

FN published lots on this and I think they have proven their handgun won't fire out of battery.

 

[ReloaderFred]

Most semiauto handguns won't fire when not fully locked. In unarmed defensive tactics, one of the moves taught is to try to push back the slide on a semiauto pistol that is pointed at you. It's tricky, to say the least, but it works if done properly.

Hope this helps.

Fred

 

[ArmedBear]

My XD is hard to get out of battery by accident.

That grip safety is a neat feature, the real purposes of which most people don't realize.

That said, I always thought that "out of battery" means "the gun isn't in the condition that allows the firing mechanism to work."

 

[Mad Magyar]

In unarmed defensive tactics, one of the moves taught is to try to push back the slide on a semiauto pistol that is pointed at you. It's tricky, to say the least, but it works if done properly.

Crap-shoot at best....

 

[ArmedBear]

Crap-shoot at best...

One thing the XD's safety does it lock the slide forward, with only a little play to allow a "press check". Let go, and it goes right back into battery.

Regardless, I doubt that, in a desperate hand-to-hand struggle, you'd be able to do something so precise with your fingers.

 

[JR47]

Actually, the 1911 won't fire if the slide is pushed back, either.

 

[ArmedBear]

Actually, the 1911 won't fire if the slide is pushed back, either.

Did anyone say otherwise?

Can anyone think of a gun that WILL?

 

[Jim Watson]

Very few good quality autos will fire "out of battery", not even a Glock. "Out of battery" firing is usually an excuse for some other fault in gun or ammunition.

 

[David E]

I suppose the real question is.......how far OUT of battery is enough to keep it from firing?

Some are less or more than others.

 

[ReloaderFred]

"Crap-shoot at best.... "

We were never taught to just cover our heads and beg not to be shot. When desperate, and your life is in jeopardy, you use all means at your disposal. Real life isn't the movies or TV.

Hope this helps.

Fred

 

[ny32182]

If you have a pistol, or any firearm that is capable of firing out of battery.. ie. able to fire when the action is not fully locked up... You are going to have a major KB the first time a round doesn't chamber all the way. It could be from a reload where the case wasn't quite sized enough... it could happen from a slightly dimensionally out of spec factory round. It could happen from perfectly in-spec ammunition not chambering all the way in a very dirty chamber. It would eventually happen. Being capable of firing out of battery is not an acceptable design feature on any firearm.

 

[kludge]

Can anyone think of a gun that WILL?

Does open bolt count?

 

[Mad Magyar]

We were never taught to just cover our heads and beg not to be shot. When desperate, and your life is in jeopardy, you use all means at your disposal. Real life isn't the movies or TV

Fred, my point being if you are close enough for a "gun grab"; there are other viable options than the thin hopes of retracting a slide.

 

[new_steyr1]

Just to clarify why I'm asking this.

I believe this is a valuable safety feature and Springfield presumably knowing this advertises this feature as a selling point for XD while other manufacturers do not, thus making me wonder if other guns by a) design do not b) reliably fire when out of battery.

 

[DeepSouth]

I believe this is a valuable safety feature and Springfield presumably knowing this advertises this feature as a selling point for XD while other manufacturers do not, thus making me wonder if other guns by a) design do not b) reliably fire when out of battery.

I have heard it said that this is one of the reasons not to carry an auto for defense. If you push a revolver into someones body it will still fire, with most auto's it is possible to push the slide far enough back to stop it from firing. Many people carry a revolver for this reason.

I am aware that their are very few circumstances where you need to force a gun into someones side to stop an attack, but if a person is on top of you I could be possible. Me, I like the .45 acp, so I carry an auto anyway.

Anyway, my point is that it probably isn't a good selling point, and if it was to take off then all the other manfactures would follow suite.

 

[Quoheleth]

I have heard it said that this is one of the reasons not to carry an auto for defense. If you push a revolver into someones body it will still fire, with most auto's it is possible to push the slide far enough back to stop it from firing. Many people carry a revolver for this reason.

The revolver is not immune to being disabled.

Assuming that you can get as close to the revolver-holder as you could to an auto-holder, you disable a revolver by grabbing a) the cylinder or b) dropping your hand over the hammer or between the hammer & firing pin [OUCH!!!]. The lever system of revolvers will not generate enough leverage from the trigger finger to allow the gun to be cycled. It cannot be cocked, either DA or SA.

Q

 

[new_steyr1]

I consider it a valuable safety feature because gun firing out of battery on a range and seriously injuring a person is much more likely to happen in my opinion than being in a situation where you are pressing a gun against somebody.

Springfield is advertising this as a a) reliable b) design feature on XD. I'm not sure why others are not.

 

[lions]

I think Springfield is advertising this "feature" because someone in the ad department said "Hey, why don't we make a selling point out of something that every properly functioning auto loader already does?". If it makes someone think that the XD is safer than every other pistol out there then it can't be bad for sales.

 

[new_steyr1]

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[kd7nqb]

seems to me that any well maintained modern quality gun avoids the out of battery issue in one way or another. Most of the out of battery issues I have heard of involved something odd like a gun that had been dinked with one too many times.

 

[1SOW]

I have a High Standard 22 that will fire with the slide back slightly. I use this to release the hammer spring tension when puting it away. A skosh farther back and you can't fire it.

Just as an aside. The trigger bar connects to the sear using a slot in the bar. A number of years back, I took some of the slack out of the trigger by closing that slot slightly. The gun sounded 'odd' when fired. It was firing TWO rounds each and every trigger pull. I put the slack back in.

 

[loop]

Very few guns will fire out of battery. Firing from an open bolt is not out of battery if designed to do so.

Springfield spends far too much money on marketing. It does boost its reputation and sales, though.

I can't think of a single Browning design that will fire out of battery.

For that matter, it would be a huge liability risk to make a firearm that fires out of battery. Who would want to take on that risk?

What I want to know is who bought off the NRA to promote Springers?

I have yet to see one I would carry.

 

[ny32182]

I have a High Standard 22 that will fire with the slide back slightly. I use this to release the hammer spring tension when puting it away.

Just to be clear, there is a difference between hearing the hammer drop and actually being able to fire out of battery. You can pull the bolt of an AR15 back 1/2" or more and still get an audible click when you pull the trigger. The geometry of a fully shrouded carrier ensures that the hammer can not hit the firing pin unless it is all the way forward.

As far as most manufacturers, they probably don't advertize it because it is so basic that everyone assumes the gun is designed to not fire out of battery... it goes without saying. It would be like advertizing a new car for sale, and saying it comes with four wheels and tires. I don't know why Springfield would do it; just reassurance to the consumer I guess.

 

[chriske]

Please correct me if I'm wrong :
Isn't there a part present in all semi-autos called "disconnector" that's designed to PREVENT them from firing when not "in battery" ?
Wouldn't a pistol that shoots "out of battery" be liable to go full-auto ?