No, neither is. But, my PM9 runs about a 50/50 split with my sub-compact 1911 as far as time carried. The season and what I'm wearing tend to drive which I choose, but I do LOVE that little "PM". Found some mags on Ebay a while back, but it's been a while. They might have changed their rules. Please guys, no sermons on the evils of Ebaying, I already know. But, when you live in a rural location, sometimes it becomes neccessary, even if it galls the living hell out of me. Anyway, you might also try Mec-Gar, they might be the OEM for Kahr.