ISRA alert about Jim Ryan (IL)

[Autolycus]

Sure is strange.

But either way since Ohio does not let 7 year olds buy guns obviously they want them to be molested and raped. And since felons cannot buy guns obviously the government wants them to be murdered. And since Ohio requires a permit to carry obviously the government of Ohio does not want its citizens to be able to defend themselves since it charges money for this right. And since the government said nobody under the age of 18 can own a fully-auto SBR with a grenade launcher they want a whole gang of illegals to break into your house, sodomize your wife and kids, and then torture you by skinning you alive.

Its obvious, isn't it?

 

[Lou McGopher]

I think voting is an immoral act of violence, and I would urge you all to maintain the moral high ground, and abstain from voting. But if you are going to vote, try to vote pro-freedom. Throwing around the terms conservative, liberal, fascist, socialist, etc. isn't going to do any good. Tyranny has many names and faces. It wears both red and blue. Recognize it for what it is, and if you must vote, vote for someone who will respect all of your liberties, not just some of them.

 

[atomd]

That is quite a leap of logic to assume that because they are anti-gun they prefer that gays be bashed rather than defend themselves. Or that they don't want women to be able to defend themselves from an assault with a gun and would rather they have an abortion.

When they pass those laws, those are the groups of people that they hurt the most..the ones more likely to be attacked or raped and least likely to be able to defend themselves without the use of a firearm. I don't remember the last time I read about a 220lb man who was raped while going for a walk in a park. I do recall reading about 100lb females being raped and homosexuals being attacked outside gay bars recently. I'm not saying that they WANT people to be raped and bashed. Not many people out there would. They are just more willing to take that risk than let people exercise their second amendment rights. They really hate guns THAT much. They hate them enough where they have convinced themselves that if people were armed, there would be shootouts on every street corner at all hours of the day and night. They ignore all the facts and think that guns do more harm than good. People like them are just plain delusional. It makes me sick.

 

[rm23]

Deanimator, trying to have a rational discussion with someone irrational is a major waste of time.

 

[Autolycus]

Originally posted by atomd:
When they pass those laws, those are the groups of people that they hurt the most..the ones more likely to be attacked or raped and least likely to be able to defend themselves without the use of a firearm. I don't remember the last time I read about a 220lb man who was raped while going for a walk in a park. I do recall reading about 100lb females being raped and homosexuals being attacked outside gay bars recently. I'm not saying that they WANT people to be raped and bashed. Not many people out there would. They are just more willing to take that risk than let people exercise their second amendment rights. They really hate guns THAT much. They hate them enough where they have convinced themselves that if people were armed, there would be shootouts on every street corner at all hours of the day and night. They ignore all the facts and think that guns do more harm than good. People like them are just plain delusional. It makes me sick.

Yes those people are hurt the most in theory. But to make the suggestion that the politicians WANT them to be hurt is asinine. Can we use the same logic and assume that the people want cancer patients to suffer that is why they ban or regulate marijuana?

And please post some links and sources about where these women are getting raped and homosexuals being attacked in bars recently. I am always anxious to learn more.

 

[atomd]

But to make the suggestion that the politicians WANT them to be hurt is asinine

I specifically said that I didn't believe they wanted them to be hurt.

And please post some links and sources about where these women are getting raped and homosexuals being attacked in bars recently. I am always anxious to learn more.

Are you suggesting that that hasn't happened recently? If you put "rape" into google and hit news results, it finds 25,889 results. Do you have any idea of how many people are put on trial every year for that crime in the US? It's quite a few. I'm sure a few of those cases would work for you (and why you want to read a bunch of news stories on rape and gay bashing is beyond me). People actually assaulting others for being gay isn't as common as rape but it's certainly not difficult to find at all. On the first page searching for news stories on google it lists a dozen or more cases of physical assaults or people on trial for them. Go look for yourself.

 

[Deanimator]

Sure is strange.

The belief by AHSA members that they can con real gun owners? Undoubtedly. Lots of people have strange beliefs.

But either way since Ohio does not let 7 year olds buy guns obviously they want them to be molested and raped.

The parents of 7 year olds in Ohio, who have a DIRECT DUTY TO PROTECT THEM, have the right to carry in order to fulfill that duty. In Illinois, neither 7 year olds nor their parents have the right to effective self-defense. If faced with a deadly force attack in the street, THEY have a duty to DIE.

And since felons cannot buy guns obviously the government wants them to be murdered.

Some would say that's a good reason to not be a felon. Of course in Illinois, EVERYONE is treated like a felon... just the way AHSA likes it.

And since Ohio requires a permit to carry obviously the government of Ohio does not want its citizens to be able to defend themselves since it charges money for this right.

It also requires you to pay for food. Must want you to starve as well.

Were it to follow Illinois' example, it would forbid anyone to eat unless they were spoon fed by a government employee... who had no legal obligation to do so, nor any liability if he failed to and you starved.

What's obvious is that you AHSA types lose EVERY argument, EVERY time. And yet you keep coming back for more...

 

[Gatorbait]

It's passing strange to watch a disagreement scrolling past as to whether "the government" wants or doesn't want people to be raped or beaten up or otherwise mistreated. Surely others than I have learned by now that "the government" doesn't give a rat's rear end one way or the other. It didn't require the entire eight decades for me to sort that out.

 

[Deanimator]

Deanimator, trying to have a rational discussion with someone irrational is a major waste of time.

However demonstrating that their argument IS irrational, AND a false flag operation in the bargain is NEVER a waste of time!

 

[Chemistry Guy]

wrong issue

I know some people here will strongly disagree with me here, but this is what I have observed. In my opinion, RKBA issues are about freedom, not security. I would argue that in places of high population density, individuals are actually safer under harsh gun laws, but they give up a lot of freedom in exchange. I have traveled in places like Tokyo, Malaysia, Singapore, and Beijing, where strict gun laws are enforced, and street crime is nearly nonexistant. In Tokyo, where firearms might as well not exist, there are virtually no murders. The statistics could easily make someone desiring security above all, like a new parent, become an anti.

However, the U.S. isn't Japan. We have rural areas, sprawling suburbs, and a long porous border that is impossible to monitor to the extent that Japan monitors its ports. Tokyo gun laws could never work in America, so I maintain that, while legitimate for other countries, gun laws do not work in the U.S., and I am fortunate enough that the men that founded the country agree with me.

 

[Deanimator]

I know some people here will strongly disagree with me here, but this is what I have observed. In my opinion, RKBA issues are about freedom, not security. I would argue that in places of high population density, individuals are actually safer under harsh gun laws, but they give up a lot of freedom in exchange. I have traveled in places like Tokyo, Malaysia, Singapore, and Beijing, where strict gun laws are enforced, and street crime is nearly nonexistant. In Tokyo, where firearms might as well not exist, there are virtually no murders. The statistics could easily make someone desiring security above all, like a new parent, become an anti.

What's their violent crime rate WITHOUT guns? That's lower TOO.

Deriving sociological conclusions about the United States from Japan, is like comparing a Humboldt squid and a California condor. They are so RADICALLY different that it's like saying that condors would be more successful if we just dumped them all in the Sea of Cortez.

Of course if you want to make REAL comparisons, make one relevant to the imaginary "duty" of police to protect individuals. After the great earthquake of 1923, Japanese police stood idly by while ethnic Koreans were lynched by ethnic Japanese. Compare this to the L.A. riots in which Korean-Americans who had previously successfully defended their homes and businesses with firearms, were subsequently disarmed by authorities and shortly thereafter burned out by rioters. You can hear the same song playing in the background in both events, "We don't have to protect you and we won't let you protect yourself."

When the government prevents you from protectng yourself and absolves itself from any duty to protect you, it makes a CONSCIOUS DECISION that it's preferable for you to be robbed, raped and murdered than for you to defend yourself.

And as history tells us so clearly, this is VERY frequently for reasons of prejudice and bigotry.

 

[wishin]

If he's elected, I hope they'll do a great job of keeping the GITMO terrorists locked up in that maximum security prison, otherwise you'll have more than just gangbangers to worry about there!

 

[Deanimator]

If he's elected, I hope they'll do a great job of keeping the GITMO terrorists locked up in that maximum security prison, otherwise you'll have more than just gangbangers to worry about there!

It will be a FEDERAL prison. Ryan's got nothing to do with it, other than having the Illinois State Police dragooned into looking for the prisoners when they escape.

Of course the Federal government has more legal duty to protect those PRISONERS than they or the state or local police have to protect YOU from THEM.

But the State of Illinois has determined that it's preferable for one of those terrorists to kidnap or murder you in the street than for you to defend yourself from him with a gun. They will however PRETEND that the State or local police will "protect" you until they DON'T, at which time they will declare not the slightest legal responsibility for you at all.

Remember, their motto is, "We don't have to protect you and we won't let you protect yourself."