It’s not just ammo and components

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somethingbenign said:
This is not just limited to gun stuff. I've been waiting for some water tight electrical boxes for work for over a month now with not even a word on when they will be available. While I think the gun industry is more visible to us enthusiasts we are not alone. This should be a good reminder for us all to have at least a modest supply of consumables in the future.
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I’m with you, but have tried and tried but can find no water tight electrical boxes that’ll pass the plunk test.
 
I live in a close-in DC suburb of mid-60s era houses. A couple dozen, maybe more, are undergoing various degrees of remodeling from nearly complete tear downs to simple new kitchens, baths, and refinished basements. I’ve never seen anything like it and I’ve lived here for decades.

I haven’t talked to any neighbors about it (because I haven’t talked to any neighbors about anything), but it’s work from home, stay at home pandemic driven I’m sure. And construction materials and labor must be in really tight supply here.

And something people don’t think about—Porto johns, they’re everywhere!

I know a couple of guys who are shooters, but not reloaders. Instead of remodeling we’re spending our money on ammo and primers.
 
mjsdwash said:
1 million new people are finally going to "finally get around to reloading"... 999,000 will never open the box, but won't sell it either "just in case". 999 will open the box, loose some stuff and try to push it for a profit based on "just wanting back what I got in it"
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This here and at the local shops here people are buying ammo they don't even have a firearm for. I go to the local Academy pretty regular and see some of this. A couple of days ago they had some .22 and 45/70 and that was it. Of course there was a line and a limit. I saw 4 people in a row grab a limit of 45/70. Guarantee they have no 45/70 and plan to sell it elsewhere. This will not help the situation at all. It's going to be awhile. Maybe this time next year.
 
Bigdog357 said:
I got lucky and snagged a used RockChucker for $80 two weeks ago at a gun show. Already had one, but wanted one for another bench. Now if I could just find my powder thrower that I lost during a move, been looking for a couple months, no dice.
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I got a very good deal on a new in the box pro 2000 deluxe reloading kit with several added goodies. All for $250.00 but I can’t find shell plates so it’s rendered useless.
 
JDeere said:
This here and at the local shops here people are buying ammo they don't even have a firearm for. I go to the local Academy pretty regular and see some of this. A couple of days ago they had some .22 and 45/70 and that was it. Of course there was a line and a limit. I saw 4 people in a row grab a limit of 45/70. Guarantee they have no 45/70 and plan to sell it elsewhere. This will not help the situation at all. It's going to be awhile. Maybe this time next year.
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Not a bunch of 45_70 shooters entering the market I'll wager...
 
BCR#1 said:
I traded 8400 SPP's for 8400 LRN 135 and 115 gr 9 mm projectiles. I had $.025 in the primers and the bullets are $.08 and $.06 ea so I think I did a good trade.

Bill
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The true definition of "value" in a free market economy: All things are worth what the prospective buyer is willing to pay for them and the offering seller is willing to accept in exchange.

I took marketing and micro/macro econ a long time ago but never forgot those basic laws of free exchange.
 
AR. Hillbilly said:
Yes sir that’s a fact. I’m a construction worker. We’ve had trouble with treated lumber and such not to mention costs going way up. Our electricians have told me the same.
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We looked at a dock rebuild at Lake Stevens month ago.
We need two thirty foot preasure treated beams to start the rebuild. We placed the order and was told they will not be available until atleast September if we were lucky.

My sister inlaw had her house remodled last spring.
Many items she wanted were unavailable.
Shower head, faucets, lights and a few other things.

She ordered brown plastic shutters for the windows and has a date of delivery of middle August 2020, still waiting for them.

We frame houses for a contractor. Several houses are the same design.
The one we just framed up the cost went up $16,000 from the last one a few mounts earlier.

Sheets of 7/16" OSB went from $9 a sheet to $27 a sheet.
3/4" plywood went up to $50 a sheet.

I needed a 16" fir 2x6 last week for my shed, $32.

We will be building a split level Rambler house next, the roof trussed went up to $14,000.

Everything is way out of wack all across the board not just in our little ammo and reloading world. Corparations are making bank on thier products.
We the little man are screwed.
 
CQB45ACP said:
I live in a close-in DC suburb of mid-60s era houses [...] I haven’t talked to any neighbors about it (because I haven’t talked to any neighbors about anything)
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That's very sad, to me. I have "neighbors" who are a good half-hour walk (at a brisk pace) away and we still stop and chat every few weeks. Sometimes it's a matter of catching up on the road between open windows - yes, we block the road, nobody cares - and sometimes it's out for a walk and happen to see them in the yard. We're rural, not isolated, and many neighbors have hobby gardens for selling root vegetables, green goods, eggs, etc. at the local markets while others make their living selling beef cattle, pigs for pork, goats, chickens... real working family farms and ranches. It's a hard way to make a living and they're good people for doing it.

I kind of feel bad for people who can't get to know their neighbors because something silly like "class" or political views. People aren't meant by our Creator to be like that. In my humble opinion.
 
Highland Lofts said:
We looked at a dock rebuild at Lake Stevens month ago.
We need two thirty foot preasure treated beams to start the rebuild. We placed the order and was told they will not be available until atleast September if we were lucky.

My sister inlaw had her house remodled last spring.
Many items she wanted were unavailable.
Shower head, faucets, lights and a few other things.

She ordered brown plastic shutters for the windows and has a date of delivery of middle August 2020, still waiting for them.

We frame houses for a contractor. Several houses are the same design.
The one we just framed up the cost went up $16,000 from the last one a few mounts earlier.

Sheets of 7/16" OSB went from $9 a sheet to $27 a sheet.
3/4" plywood went up to $50 a sheet.

I needed a 16" fir 2x6 last week for my shed, $32.

We will be building a split level Rambler house next, the roof trussed went up to $14,000.

Everything is way out of wack all across the board not just in our little ammo and reloading world. Corparations are making bank on thier products.
We the little man are screwed.
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Exactly the same here but for some strange reason we’re busier than ever and so is all our subs. Local lumber yard is rolling. lumber rep tells me building costs are up 60%.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
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The true definition of "value" in a free market economy: All things are worth what the prospective buyer is willing to pay for them and the offering seller is willing to accept in exchange.

I took marketing and micro/macro econ a long time ago but never forgot those basic laws of free exchange.
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You’re really dredging up some old memories...we might be looking at an example of how different comparative advantages (or absolute advantages) make a potential market and then of course the participants must execute. In this case each participant apparently has none of one item, but is flush with another.
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
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That's very sad, to me. I have "neighbors" who are a good half-hour walk (at a brisk pace) away and we still stop and chat every few weeks. Sometimes it's a matter of catching up on the road between open windows - yes, we block the road, nobody cares - and sometimes it's out for a walk and happen to see them in the yard. We're rural, not isolated, and many neighbors have hobby gardens for selling root vegetables, green goods, eggs, etc. at the local markets while others make their living selling beef cattle, pigs for pork, goats, chickens... real working family farms and ranches. It's a hard way to make a living and they're good people for doing it.

I kind of feel bad for people who can't get to know their neighbors because something silly like "class" or political views. People aren't meant by our Creator to be like that. In my humble opinion.
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I mislead you unintentionally. It’s the pandemic that has caused the lack of communication. Yes many of us are very different politically (and we know who’s what), but most of us are still neighborly. Funny how the economy changes a neighborhood’s politics.

When we moved here in the mid-80s, we were mid/late-career federal bureaucrats and this was a “move-up” neighborhood. Most everyone was about same career stage and age—senior government, contractors, senior military officers. Now, with a much stronger economy and super low interest rates, it is “entry-level.” So folks are younger and much much more liberal. All the folks like us are in Florida.
 
Highland Lofts said:
We looked at a dock rebuild at Lake Stevens month ago.
We need two thirty foot preasure treated beams to start the rebuild. We placed the order and was told they will not be available until atleast September if we were lucky.

My sister inlaw had her house remodled last spring.
Many items she wanted were unavailable.
Shower head, faucets, lights and a few other things.

She ordered brown plastic shutters for the windows and has a date of delivery of middle August 2020, still waiting for them.

We frame houses for a contractor. Several houses are the same design.
The one we just framed up the cost went up $16,000 from the last one a few mounts earlier.

Sheets of 7/16" OSB went from $9 a sheet to $27 a sheet.
3/4" plywood went up to $50 a sheet.

I needed a 16" fir 2x6 last week for my shed, $32.

We will be building a split level Rambler house next, the roof trussed went up to $14,000.

Everything is way out of wack all across the board not just in our little ammo and reloading world. Corparations are making bank on thier products.
We the little man are screwed.
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YEP! Raw materials are not available. I’m house shopping and nobody wants a house that need the slightest renovation. Deal to be had if you can wait for renovations.
 
CQB45ACP said:
You’re really dredging up some old memories...we might be looking at an example of how different comparative advantages (or absolute advantages) make a potential market and then of course the participants must execute. In this case each participant apparently has none of one item, but is flush with another.
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Yes, like I said in another post, I kind of have made a hobby since grad of following trends - economic, societal, political... anything that trends is interesting to observe and try to predict. Even lotto numbers, which are theoretically random, will tend to trend in the long run. Don't take that to mean I dabble in predictive analytics, it isn't and I don't, a trend isn't typically predictive.

I've been looking at the opposing reaction in the shortages. Typically, when one commodity is experiencing a glut, the opposing complimentary commodity is experiencing a drought. Think about the trend a few decades back towards small pocket autos in sub-calibers - the Seecamp Craze. That trend resulted in bargain prices for large-frame autos (1911's and Hi-Powers) as the market adjusted to a new consumer demand: sub-pocket .32 autos. At that time, prices for Model 10, 15, 19, 29 etc. Smiths and the few I/V-frame Colts still being produced weren't really effected - since no one ever considered a K/L/N-frame S&W or a Colt's Python/Anaconda a "pocket carry" revolver, they aren't an opposing complimentary commodity - but prices for J-frame/D-frame and equivalent copies did go up. Likewise, new competitors entered the .25/.32/.380 market and wiped out the high-dollar products that started the craze. Disappointed bargain shoppers bad-mouthed the trend generally and it peter'd out. Demand leads to price inflation leads to scarcity leads to bust; meanwhile, on the opposite side of the spectrum, lack of demand leads to inventory glut leads to price deflation leads to higher demand... you get the drift.

I have not seen a definitive commodity-based trend in this recent market turmoil. There is NO opposing complimentary commodity to ammunition. There "appears" to be NO preference or favored platform of firearm. As one LGS owner told me months ago, "...they're buying anything with a trigger..." speaking of the new gun-buyers flooding his shop. This market isn't trending anywhere but towards central control, lead by mandate of a ruling group, guerilla economics and planned management by a central authority of every resource of production, especially labor. That is the only identifiable trend, thus far.

[NB: edited because I really badly typoed most of that. :( ]
 
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CQB45ACP said:
I mislead you unintentionally. It’s the pandemic that has caused the lack of communication. Yes many of us are very different politically (and we know who’s what), but most of us are still neighborly. Funny how the economy changes a neighborhood’s politics.

When we moved here in the mid-80s, we were mid/late-career federal bureaucrats and this was a “move-up” neighborhood. Most everyone was about same career stage and age—senior government, contractors, senior military officers. Now, with a much stronger economy and super low interest rates, it is “entry-level.” So folks are younger and much much more liberal. All the folks like us are in Florida.
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Ah! Gotcha! Yes, the plandemic has scared a lot of people into isolation. I hope that trend reverses but I'm not seeing it, yet. If anything, the anti-social types are using the plandemic as an excuse for deeper isolation and through social media, guilt casting, etc. are trying to force that lifestyle into the general public. If you go out of your house, you're a murderer. I've heard that in person more than once. Ironically, by people who were NOT in their own homes.
 
Working for a local plumbing, heating, electrical contractor. It seems a LOT of people are either upgrading their second/retirement "cottages" to make them year around and add generators. Cant find licenced help or materials to get things done either. Generators 1 year wait presently. And no most of these people are not pro gun either. Comming from boston, NYC, or such areas they have commented that they want to now move to a "safe" place. Sigh:confused::fire:
 
GeoDudeFlorida said:
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Ah! Gotcha! Yes, the plandemic has scared a lot of people into isolation. I hope that trend reverses but I'm not seeing it, yet. If anything, the anti-social types are using the plandemic as an excuse for deeper isolation and through social media, guilt casting, etc. are trying to force that lifestyle into the general public. If you go out of your house, you're a murderer. I've heard that in person more than once. Ironically, by people who were NOT in their own homes.
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Go down to SW Florida, 1/2 people are not wearing mask and it’s mostly old people here. They are out partying and drinking and dining. Feels good to be human again. My gun range club is Seattle could care less if you wear a mask
 
FROGO207 said:
Working for a local plumbing, heating, electrical contractor. It seems a LOT of people are either upgrading their second/retirement "cottages" to make them year around and add generators. Cant find licenced help or materials to get things done either. Generators 1 year wait presently. And no most of these people are not pro gun either. Comming from boston, NYC, or such areas they have commented that they want to now move to a "safe" place. Sigh:confused::fire:
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And they will vote to turn whatever safe place they land in unsafe.
 
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